Homosexual marriage
 

I'm creating this thread because I want to and I feel the need to vent my anger somewhere. I am not homosexual yet I feel as though they are treated extremly wrong. I have many friends that are homosexual/bi and they pay hell for it.(Which I think is not fair)

In the US Constitution it says spmeting about dicrimination against people. Now our president wants to violate people's right's by not allowing homosexual people to get married in the US.(Which is bulls*&^$)Now I find this to be a GREAT violation of thier rights.

Just becaue someone is homosexual doesn't mean that there is something wrong with them.It is a great disturbence to me to see that people are denied the right to be happy and lead a "normal" life. I think that it's rather silly for country's to get all worked up because homosexual people want to get married. I find(now this can be debated)That homosexual people our either born that way or that it's taught to them.

I just wanted to know your opinoin on the issue(s) at hand.

I deeply apologize if this thread offends anyone...that's not what I inteded(sp?) to do. Sorry

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! That's exactly what i think with the US constitution. Im not homosexual either, but really, banning people from a sacred act because they're different, it just aggrevates me so. As i say, people are either homophobic or discriminative bastards. I think bush falls into both categories. However, homosexual marriage idea should be worked up now. If we leave it as it is, nothing will change. That's at least what i believe.

This is a conversation that's been beaten into the ground JUST a little bit. Do a forum search for homosexuality...

However, I feel the need to hijack this thread JUST a little bit and mention that the methodist church is on the verge of splitting over homosexual marriages. MANY people feel they should be supported by the church for various reasons I'm not going to bring up due to the religious discussion rule.

You know... just to mention one denomination of christianity that does/will allow it shortly. There are others, but that's an easy example, because at every message board, there's always SOMEONE who complains about the sanctity of marriage, or how they can't be married in church (as though court marriages don't exist) or some such thing.

A. Mormons aren't Christians. They're some wierd pseudo-denomination based on a book from the Americas, which I don't entirely trust.

B. Marriage is a sacred act, it is something rooted in Christianity. My opinion, which, unfortunately for homosexuals, is approximately fact, is that marriage is a holy union in the church and marrying homosexuals is a complete blasphemy. It's an absolute mockery of my religion. Everybody who fights for homosexual marriage is fighting to disrespect Christianity instead of homosexuals.

This coin has two sides.

I have a better idea. Make up some systems where gays can perform some ceremony similar to a marriage. Give them all the government freedoms/benefits whatever. And let them have fun. But don't use "marriage." That's all I ask.

I don't care if this new system allows 30 guys to celebrate and unify and ass-screw and such. It is not like it is not already happening. Fighting to keep gays unmarried is purely a Christian fight. But letting them have fun and such, whether I believe in their actions or not, should be perfectly fine. I don't want to oppress these people. They deserve the same rights. They just don't deserve to attack me.

So do what you want, but do your own thing. Marriage, holy matrimony, the religious dude with a Bible... All that has to go. That can't be part of this. I'll fight against "Gay Marriage" until people get what I'm saying and comply. Until they find another way to make their, uh, homosexuality, official and lawful.


Edit: I just like to take every oppertunity to say this stuff.

Your prejudice shows in your post. ""allow 30 guys to ass-screw and such." Yeah, I didn't know all gay people are these horny fucks who just have gay sex 24/7.

They don't attack you. They're not attacking you. They are not physically harming you. You'll just be left behind when the change happens. Like maddox says, you can't start a statement with "i'm not racist, but..." and still pretend you're not. Likewise, same here. The best thing to do is to put yourself in their shoes. How would you like being berated and fired and made fun of for your sexuality?

What if they are Christians themselves, and want a Christian marriage? I didn't know God hated certain groups of people.

Uhh... okay. 'Do your own thing' except if it involves a bible, marriage, and holy matrimony? What the hell kind of logic is that? Should we throw out Jewish and Islamic marriages as well? Holy Matrimony isn't holy just to you and your beliefs.

Of course, Marriage shouldn't be a government institution because of the discrepincy in beliefs. After all, you believe gays literally can't, by definition, be married. This other guy disagrees. The government just should give civil unions to everybody and let marriage be a religious term.

But this topic has been done to death. Seriously, like, I think this is maybe the 5th or 6th time.

I am not going to rant about my religous beliefs but I don't understand why the cristains are so upset about using the word marriage. They don't get upset when a Jewish or Muslim couple gets "married" but when someone (who may even be of the same faith) with different beliefs uses that word they get angry. I also don't understand the fact that when you defend a homosexual person you are called a "quir" or "faggot".

Jewish and Muslims are very closely related to Christianity in their religion history and practices. They use the term marriage in a Jewish or Muslim sense. Not in a Christian sense. They should be angry about this too. But I don't think that muslims have sound beliefs, and Judaism is not very strong, certainly not in America. Most of the Jewish people I know can't define their religion or don't really practice it much.
But I'm not here to bash them, nor do I want to. I only wish I could get backing from people who should have my same concerns.

Locke: I don't think I ever said anything about not being prejudiced. That's irrelevant anyway. I mean it when I say that a homosexual "marriage," if I must use that term for now, shouldn't have to follow orthodox marriage rules. I'd be happy to see it as unrelated as possible. That's all.
And, of course, I target what I disapprove of. I don't say, "I hate seeing men walk together through the mall!" because I don't hate that. I couldn't care less about something like that.
And if a gay couple is a Christian couple, then it's one wierd deal because God does hate homosexuality the same way he hates lying to your mom and murdering. That is to say, He hates the sin, not necessarily the person. But nevertheless, I doubt that many Christians would so devote their lives to something God hates. And if they want to, then I still won't encourage it, and it's still blasphemy. Anyway, the concept of gay marriage is, to me, like berrating and making fun of my Christianity(Coincidentally, I guess it insults Muslim and Judaism as well). Since when do their feelings count more than mine?

Funny Looking: Fine. Make marriage purely religious and use a civil union in every case where the government ought to be concerned. We live in a secular nation. Tell me where to sign the papers.

Lunar: You're probably really young. In time, you'll understand why somebody is called a faggot if they defend homosexuals. (I don't do it, to be honest. But I will call you asinine. I can't help but look at homosexuality in a condescending manner. It seems like the kind of thing you would see in a comedy skit, not something that seriously occurs.) Anyway, I think you repeated a question or two, and I gave an answer. You'll be called a faggot by a real homosexual hater, but not by me because I hate the crime more than the person.
But I'll probably be less likely to hang out with you.

Edit: Now you're all gonna be like, "Bastard! How dare you admit that you don't appreciate homosexuals! Your opinion no longer counts because you're biased!" You'll disregard that this is a case of biases. Or you can not throw out this particular flame/argument. Please. I won't care or acknowledge it if you do.

Edit 2: Or maybe this ought to be closed. I don't want to keep on having to reply. These "disceussions" never change anything. Not as far as I've seen. It's just for letting out steam.

How could we NOT throw the bias card? The whole point of this discussion IS that very issue, you can't throw the issue out the window and expect everything to be hunky-dory.

Eh.

I've always thought that about the discussion forum. The only time when I ever reached a mutual agreement was with TREV-Mun in a very pleasant PM discussion.

Yeah, it should be closed, since I (and hopefully others) will basically be ignoring anything you say or discuss now. I think I'll treat you in a condescending manner and not be able to help but think of you as some sort of [Christian] comedy skit.

Um. Wait.

Homosexuals can still have the ceremony, the ring, start living together and thinking of themselves as a couple.

The constitution does not deny them this ceremony ( or our statute of laws...I am in Canada) its the legal rights of married couples that they are being denied. Those are what they are fighting for really...

Now since I'm not married I can't remember, what "extra" stuff to married people get? I know it has something to do with taxes...

Basically asking for a quantification...are they just fighting for the right to be acknowledged by the government as a married couple....or do they want the other stuff...whatever that is.