The Warring States of NPF - The Pledge of Allegiance

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The Pledge of Allegiance

Does anyone here know the history behind the Pledge of Allegiance? I'm guessing most of you don't, but I recently found this site with an interesting history of the Pledge. http://members.ij.net/rex/pledge2.html
Note, for example, the way students were originally instructed to salute the flag:
http://members.ij.net/rex/nazi%20salute%201.jpg

Sure, the site is biased against the pledge - but you probably will be too when you find out its history.

that's mostly, but not quite right.

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"At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another order is given; every pupil give the Flag the military salute -right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with forehead close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands; one Nation, indivisible, with Libery and Justice for all.' At the words, 'to my flag,.' the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, towards the Flag, and remains in this gesture until the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side. Then, still standing as the instruments strike a cord, all will sing America- 'My Country, 'tis of The'"

emphasis added

additionally

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On June 22, 1942, the US Congress officially approved the 1924 version of the Pledge and added it to the US Flag Code. In December, 1942, Congress substituted the present ritual of the right hand over the heart in place of the original straight right arm salute. Congress apparently was embarrassed by the similarity between the original Flag salute and the Nazi salute.

from http://pledgeqanda.com/qanda.html

the pledge was written by Francis Bellamy, who was a socialist. I dont know that this has anything to do with National Socialist German Workers Party, but its an interesting, if far reaching connection.

yeah, the pledge was written in the 1800s, long before Hitler gave Natoinal Socialism a REALLY bad name.

likewise, the swatstika was in common use for many things good. now it pretyt much means "bad". check out what i tused ot mean: http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/15/151.html

but thats off topic anyway

Funny, I usually salute it, being in my Scout uniform almost everytime I say it...

Bellamy was a socialist, and a member of a nationalist group founded by his cousin (a famous socialist author). He was a national socialist. He supported most of the things that the Nazi party would go on to do (for example, he supported segregating government-run schools, when the private schools that existed before then were often integrated, and wouldn't have had a problem separating society as a whole by race - although he might have had a problem using that as a means to exterminate certain races).

Edit: Having checked the pictures at that site, in some of the pictures the palms face up, in others they face sideways or down. Admittedly, they used the salute before Mussolini and Hitler adopted it - but they adopted the idea of forcing children to salute symbols partly because it worked so well in the US.

"All but Libertarians are Nazis because Libertarians know better than to salute the flag!"

That's what I'm getting off of the website.

Several Supreme Court cases have ruled that one is not required to salute the flag. I'm sure Germany had such freedoms during the Nazi regime.

There are multiple states (20 or so iirc) with laws mandating the Pledge in public schools. It can't be federally mandated, but the states can and have passed laws requiring it.
Besides, the social pressure of having your teacher and the vast majority of your classmates all stand and salute the flag is pretty tough for a young child to resist. It indoctrinates them whether it's "required" or not.

This case should enlighten you. I learned this in high school civics, geez!

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"The action of a State in making it compulsory for children in the public schools to salute the flag and pledge allegiance -- by extending the right arm, palm upward, and declaring, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands; one Nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" -- violates the First and Fourteenth Amendments. P. 642."

Oh, let me break it down. Basically, you're wrong.

Okay, so apparently I was misinformed about

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Originally Posted by AnonCastillo

There are multiple states (20 or so iirc) with laws mandating the Pledge in public schools. It can't be federally mandated, but the states can and have passed laws requiring it.

but that doesn't mean that I'm wrong about

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Originally Posted by AnonCastillo

Besides, the social pressure of having your teacher and the vast majority of your classmates all stand and salute the flag is pretty tough for a young child to resist. It indoctrinates them whether it's "required" or not.

i have no problem with symbolism.

besides, Anonm people will be sheep. TELLING them NOT to be sheep still means you're being a shepard. if they cave to peer pressue... well, so what? its better then some of the things that peer pressue gets them to do.