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Dynamite Kid 05-17-2004 07:23 AM

Leader of Iraq Governing Council Killed
 
This war still isn't Vietnam, but damn this doesn't help...


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Filed at 3:44 a.m. ET

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The head of Iraqi Governing Council was killed Monday in a car bombing near a U.S. checkpoint in central Baghdad, an Iraqi official said.

Abdel-Zahraa Othman, also known as Izzadine Saleem, was among four Iraqis killed in the blast, according to Redha Jawad Taki, a member of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, a Shiite Muslim organization known as SCIRI.

Saleem, the name he went by most frequently, was a Shiite and leader of the Islamic Dawa Movement in the southern city of Basra. He was a writer, philosopher and political activist, who served as editor of several newspapers and magazines.

The attack took place amid rising turmoil in Iraq as this country prepares for the United States to transfer power to an Iraqi interim government June 30. It underscores the risks facing those perceived as owing their power to the Americans.

Hamid al-Bayati, spokesman of SCIRI, said Saleem was trying to enter the Green Zone when the blast occurred and ``he was killed.'' Al-Bayati did not know whether the bomb was triggered by a suicide driver or detonated in some other fashion.

Saleem was in a convoy of five vehicles, and the car carrying the bomb was adjacent to the council chief's car when it exploded, witness Mohammed Laith said. He said Saleem's driver and assistant were among those killed. Saleem held the council presidency, which rotates monthly among a selected group of members.

The bomb destroyed three cars waiting in line to enter the coalition headquarters, which is called the Green Zone, Col. Mike Murray said.

Smoke rose from the site of the blast on the west side of the Tigris River. Firefighters and about 10 ambulances raced to the scene.

A rocket struck the compound of the coalition headquarters on Saturday, wounding one U.S. soldier and one civilian.

He was the second member of the U.S. appointing Governing Council to be assassinated since the group was established last July.

Aquila al-Hashimi, one of three women on the 25-member body, was mortally wounded Sept. 20 when gunmen in a pickup truck ambushed her car as she drove near her Baghdad home. She died five days later.

AnonCastillo 05-17-2004 11:06 AM

Well, on the bright side, most of the times that car bombings have injured or killed Iraqis so far, it's made other Iraqis less friendly towards the terrorists.
Not that that takes away the horrible act of murder, or anything.....

MFD 05-17-2004 01:05 PM

In other news, chemical weapons found.

A tragic mess over in Iraq, regardless.

Dynamite Kid 05-17-2004 07:09 PM

Love the headline 'Sarin nerve Gas Bomb...' followed by

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Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said he believed that insurgents who planted the explosive did not know it contained the nerve agent. The 155-mm shell did not have markings to indicate it contained a chemical agent, a U.S. official said.


He said a U.S. military convoy discovered the round, which had been rigged as an explosive device. A detonation took place before soldiers could make the bomb inoperable, producing "a very small dispersal of agent."
And this is a 'liberal' media? Intentionally misleading about nerve agents that were at best leftovers from the 80s on an unmarked bomb. I'm glad that for once the invasion governments aren't trying to overplay this. A rare bit of maturity in an overpoliticised war.

Dynamite Kid 05-17-2004 07:12 PM

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Well, on the bright side, most of the times that car bombings have injured or killed Iraqis so far, it's made other Iraqis less friendly towards the terrorists.
Not that that takes away the horrible act of murder, or anything.....
I wish it were just terrorists. This whole area is smacking of civil war. These people overwhelmingly want the invaders out so they can fight amongst each other without a thir enemy in the fracas - how many people there now truly think of the 'coalition' as their friends? I'm willing to bet few. This is messy as hell. I still await explanation as to how Iraq will be ready to govern on 30 June.

Lockeownzj00 05-17-2004 08:38 PM

Wasn't it great the other 15 times they 'discovered' the WOMDs?

Raerlynn 05-17-2004 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MFD
In other news, chemical weapons found.

A tragic mess over in Iraq, regardless.

Yes, lovely stuff, Sarin gas. So, anyone else think we should "pull out" of Iraq now? Since, you know, insurgents are willing to use this stuff on their own people?

Dynamite Kid 05-18-2004 07:21 AM

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Yes, lovely stuff, Sarin gas. So, anyone else think we should "pull out" of Iraq now? Since, you know, insurgents are willing to use this stuff on their own people?
Reports have also stated the insurgents would have had no idea this shell contained these small amounts of sarin nerve gas. The shell was unmarked! But let's stay the course, despite how wrong it's going. Not that they should unilaterally pull out, but should actually have a strategy other than leaving on 30 June and letting an unprepared puppet government take the reins. But as long as they don't join OPEC, Bush is happy enough... until they can't be stopped from doing so.

Viper Daimao 05-18-2004 10:06 AM

Yes a old canister that contained sarin gas was used. who ever used it didnt know it contained it. but thats not all, mustard gas was found also, seperately. Confirmed here by CNN, read down a bit, the finding chemical weapons in Iraq is now only news enough for a subtitle of another story.


but the question is where did this come from? either from with in iraq from one of the weapons stockpiles the baathist insurgents are getting weapons from, or from outside the country (syria, iran) where the terrorists are coming from. now the fact that it was unmarked, and it was unknown that it contained sarin would lead me to believe that it didnt come from Syria or Iran since they would have theirs marked, or at least whoever they give it to would know what was contained in it.

From that CNN story:
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Kimmitt said the artillery round was of an old style that Saddam Hussein's regime had declared it no longer possessed after the Persian Gulf War....
so this would lean toward the canister being from iraq. how did it get there? why wasnt it marked and disposed of by the UN? Does this confirm what David Kay said to congress:
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Originally Posted by David Kay
"We know that terrorists were passing through Iraq. And now we know that there was little control over Iraq's weapons capabilities. I think it shows that Iraq was a very dangerous place. The country had the technology, the ability to produce, and there were terrorist groups passing through the country -- and no central control."

The mustard gas shell, rendered ineffective by improper storage, is probably one of 550 projectiles. Together with 450 aerial bombs, that represents 80 tons of mustard gas. What happened to it? We don't know. We can only hope those shells, too, were not stored properly.

regardless,
while finding this ONE shell does not prove Saddam had “stockpiles” of wmd’s, it does show evidence (again) that he violated the U.N. resolution:

On December 8th of 2002 Saddam was supposed to provide a “currently accurate, full, and complete declaration” of any weapons of mass destruction

The U.N. resolution read, in part:
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Any failure on the part of Iraq to comply fully as required by the established dates would justify the United States and its allies to use military force in order to enforce the U.N. resolution.

DarthZeth 05-18-2004 10:39 AM

my favorit epart is how the yahoo news story abtou sarin gas has this picture next to it:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com...aq__bag130.jpg

its like "ono! a red cloud of deadly nerve gas!!" except its only a smoke grenade. hehe.

anyway, this really isnt suprising. Saddam made weapons, and never accounted for destroying them. i hadn't expected they'd have disolved or evorparated into thin air.and i don't think he would destroy them and NOT tell anyone. so yeah, they show up.



id also like to point out, again, Locke, that your sole "contribution" to the thread was a one line sarcastic comment. just pointing out a pattern.


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