Wow...

the US undermines Brazilian officials by talking to the enforcement agents directly along with other good little Latin bits.

You are just anti-american

edit: ya know, I keep seeing him called a traitor and treasonous..and...call me crazy, but don't you actually have to be a citizen or at least an inhabitant of a country to really be a traitor? I know we like to think we own everything, but Australia isn't America

Holy Flippin F... that's a big reply... Ok, uh... let me try to scale it down a bit...

I said nothing self-contradictory. Assange does what he does in the name of Transparency in Politics, all i'm saying is that if everything is transparent, you won't be able to see a damn thing. Which brings it back to the point that you must have a line somewhere. And you can't just have a single limit that works for everyone because shit doesn't work like that... at all.

It's not about pretending it didn't happen. I'm not advocating that you should turn a blind eye. Quite honestly, i think that "see all or see nothing" it's just the extreme of social Bullshit that people toss around. Seeing nothing is bad, Seeing EVERYTHING... also bad.

You are not seeing context in this. "There is a time and a place" still is a phrase of meaning. Just blowing shit up, pointing to sky and going "LOOK! SHIT FLYING!" is not necessarily the way to go. In diplomacy, trust is currency. If you don't trust a diplomate, that country can replace him. If you can't trust that country Diplomacy, you can't do shit about it.

And that's way diplomats actually do. Get shit done. It's a lot of Back Rubbing. YES. It's fucking ugly as Hell sometimes. YES. But for god sakes man... it still works! It not that it shouldn't be improved or redone, but that also doesn't mean you should blow it up and tear it down.

Yeah, a lot of it is "harmless" in a way, and already common knowledge, as i have said so. But now, it's documented. that actually makes a difference. And if Countries can't relate and talk because they can't trust each other, that is just bad.

What i'm saying is that no matter how hard you wish/want/try/pray/work/fight there will always be that 1% in there. and where that 1% actually is located inside the 100% changes depending from Context, Time, Place and point of view.

It's not an excuse. It's fact. It ain't going to change. You can improve, evolve, expand, tear it down and bring it up again, but you can't get the shadow out of the light, it will always exist in some shape or form and it will expand and contract with time.

Because of the way it was done. And the way it could harm relations between several countries, which could from that harm and delay other conversations, agreements and plans that were Trust based. That relied on communication and empathy between Political figures and/or bullshit makers.

Remind yourself that they are not "They". In Brazil, Politicians are Brazilian. In the USA they are Americans. They are people, they are from the people, they are you and i as well. They do not come from another planet nor are trained in special schools overseas. If you can't trust the process of their work, then, renewing the playing field could make a change. If you can't trust their very nature of being, then you can't trust any american with power.

And how long do you think it would take to bring any Country to the Ground if a Leader ruled with just that? That would not be democracy nor leadership. The thousand above and below? I agree with you on that, but just because the president has the option doesn't mean he gets to use it at will. He can't, the system that elect him won't allow, even if the rules say it will.

No! I'm saying Stop Electing that Dumb Bastard over and over again!!

Or it would lead to simply Flat out rampant murder, who's to know? Who's to risk finding out?

This is still a self-contridiction and saying "I don't see it" while repeating yourself doesn't really help to clear up what the hell you mean. Try explaining.

Not really, it's along the same lines as "if everyone is shouting, you can't hear what's being said."

At least that's how I read it anyway.

Actually yeah, that would be it. Thanks Tev.

Except that's not true because it isn't shouting, it would be reading, and you don't have to read 30000 documents at the same time unless you just want to. It does not explain what the hell you mean.

edit: If it is a concern of information overflow and our inability to handle so much information at once, well, that is supposed to be the job of the press.

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It's not JUST that, but it is that. Think of what you just said... you said that the job to handle and present overflowing information in a condensed, clear form falls to the media. So, they would be the ones drawing the line and picking the point of view of which the information is presented. Falling to the people just the job of processing and reacting to information. We know that behind the current line, today, there is some REALLY nasty shit. So, do we break down the line, or do we change it? or we change the people who draw the line? It's more complex than "all or nothing"

Would rather have your information controlled by the Media instead of the government? Is one really better than the other at this? Because you clearly understand that the Major public wouldn't be able to handle it. So, who will? And how it will be done? It's not as simple as simply going "full transparency".

Also, you can't control how people will react to the information, how will they counter knowledge that goes against their personal beliefs in Social and Political grounds. How will they react? how will they interact? They deeper you go, the more you'll see that it can't be done. It would be the same or worst as it is now. Because that's exactly what the government tries to do.. "the dirty job".

Hey, again, i could not agree more that Things need to improve and renewal has to come. It's a Saturated, broken, Corrupt system as it is, even if it works on some degree. I just really don't think what Assange is doing will help with that.

Oh for fuck sakes, that's just flat out Flame Bait! Specially when i said the exact opposite to that Twice already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14