I do blame both sides on the Tax Deal and other things going on now.

Republicans for holding everything hostage till they get the Tax Cuts for the Rich.

Democrats for not getting the Tax problem done before the election. Had they done it, they might have kept more seats seeing as most Americans want the Rich to be taxed more.

Even Warren Buffet and Bill Gates want to be taxed more (This Week last Sunday or the Sunday before on ABC Stations) and these are guys I'd think the Republicans would hold up as heroes of Capitalism for how much money they both have.

The reason I said what I said wasn't an insult or to derail. I would rather solve something with action that talk it over. Debating only serves a function if one uses it to look for solutions and not sell a point in my view.

But anyways, bowing out again as I was curious about this idea where Fanatics and Multi-Party system is the key.

It may or may not. That is up to us to decide in 2012 if we want to put more than one Party in either the House of Senate.

But this is because the left wasn't being left enough and kept compromising. You're saying that wild swings to the left are the problem, and then all the problems you list are problems that would have been fixed by a wild swing to the left.

I assume you're talking about the Nancy Pelosi thing. Under that assumption, then why did you bring it up at all?

Wild Swings in EITHER direction is the problem.

Nope, re-read post.

Anyways, bowing out as I need sleep.

You haven't explained at any point where wild swings to the left cause any problems, because the only problems you bring up are problems that would be fixed by wild swings to the left. Therefore, your claim that swings in either direction are bad is faulty, because you've only shown that swings to the right are bad. That is the point I am making.

I believe what Robin is trying to say is that the huge swing to the right that's just happened with the right controlled Congress is making things rather difficult to get shit done.

Thing is, when the Dems had the Senate, they still couldn't because the Repubs had the floor. In the past, with the two party system, we would have a Democratic President (with somewhat of a spine) and a Republican Congress. Veto power kept shit in line, so the rules didn't change much.

Now, with the rules, the internet, the greater collusion of governmental powers, that balance of Repubs and Democrats is all kinds of FUBAR.

Still, we do need a huge pendulum swing to the left for everything. More human rights and less corporatism for all isn't a bad thing.

But then why argue that shifts in "either" direction are bad? That implies a shift to the left would be just as bad. I fail to see how it would be. This is what I have been pressing him on. I've been trying to be as clear as possibly about that fact.

Isn't Robin a she?

And too much I guess leads to anarchy is the reasoning. Then again, we've NEEDED a left shift since Nixon.

I can tell you right now: Robin's a dude.

I'm really not sure how that works but okay.

communism and terrorists

I don't see why you expect an actual, rational answer really.