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Cyclone231 05-17-2004 09:22 PM

Magic versus Uzis
 
This is an age old question I stole from Roleplayer. If this really should go in Battle Royale, tell me.
Theoretically speaking, a Mage (let's call him Bob) and a Nazi wielding an Uzi (let's call him Frank), enter combat.
Frank can, in fact, drop out his entire ammo storage on Bob in three seconds. However, theoretically, Bob can cast a spell.
Bob could therefore use a Fireball, but Uzi beats Fireball every time. Same with Hadoken. On the other hand, he could cast more "scenic" spells, like summoning an elephant on top of Frank. He could also use an illusion to create army tanks coming in and ordering Frank to drop his weapons.
My question I pose to you is, name every single way for Bob to beat Frank that you can think of. No attack spells. No making up spells either, like maybe BAZUFAGU. Think D&D or GURPS.

IHateMakingNames 05-17-2004 09:26 PM

He can't.

Unless we are going into god mod Raistlin mode (The DBZ of fantasy world), the Uzi wins every time. Doesn't even have to aim, just point and pull in a second or less. No mage will be able to cast their spell in a second or less. And the mage isn't dodging the bullets either.

Well, that was easy.

Cyclone231 05-17-2004 09:27 PM

Let's say, theoretically Frank isn't aware of Bob, but will become so in like 3 seconds, and a Fire Ball or similar attack would make him aware enough to dodge and unload Uzi ammo.
Just theoretically.

IHateMakingNames 05-17-2004 09:29 PM

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That is just stupid.

"Ok, the gun guy won't notice the spell casting guy until the spell casting guy does something".

I can use that arguement and say a five year old beats Sephiroth by shoting him in the head while he is sleeping.

Static Hamster 05-17-2004 09:29 PM

wait though. The soldier has to get into range first. And there are other spells, no destructive ones. All the mage has to do is get out of the way, or make it so that solid matter can't hurt him...THEN cast a spell to kill the gun weilder. Maybe heat metal, or just a cantrip...5 pound Telekenesis to make the gun aim up into the Nazi's face.

If he has time for 1 spell, he can beat him. The Wizard has the advantage of versatility.

Krylo 05-17-2004 09:29 PM

Stoneskin, Magic Cloak, Blink, Monster Summoning, Inertial Barrier...

Quote:

I can use that arguement and say a five year old beats Sephiroth by shoting him in the head while he is sleeping.
You stole that from me when I was arguing against Sith and his zen archers sneaking up on the english longbowmen!

Damn thief!

IHateMakingNames 05-17-2004 09:32 PM

The mage would have to be pretty far. Even if one bullet hits him, that will delay any spell casting he is planning on doing.

And krylo, yes, if the mage can actually pull a spell off, he can win. But, spells take time, more time then what the Uzi guy needs.

Cyclone231 05-17-2004 09:33 PM

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Actually that could happen. (Sephy dying that is)
Though he wouldn't "shot" him in the head.
DANGIT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE! PRETEND IT'S GURPS, OKAY?!?

A little, ah, subtle humor there.

Forever Zero 05-17-2004 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by krylo
Stoneskin, Magic Cloak, Blink, Monster Summoning, Inertial Barrier...

All take time. It takes a second to cast even the fastest D&D spell, which are generally pretty weak and might not be able to block the bullets/stop the soldier. A soldier can whip up his gun and fire off a few rounds in a second or lower quite easily, and if he is already ready, he can shoot even faster.

EDIT: I actually get that joke, because I have taken a look at the GURPS rules, and they don't make a damn bit of sense to me...

Krylo 05-17-2004 09:34 PM

I concur, IHMN.

I further present that 'psioncist vrs uzi' would be better, because most psionic abilities are activated with a mere thought... but, short of the mind controlling ones, aren't as powerful as most magic.

Edit: I agree, FZ, just as I agree with IHMN. But the constraints of the battle allowed one spell to be cast before the mage was shot.


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