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shiney 03-27-2012 08:53 AM

In case the overly hostile above concerns you I want to make it abundantly clear that I imagine you could do a lot better if you'd apply yourself to learning a variety of techniques or at least believe in yourself for two seconds out of the day. This is shiney's way of saying he thinks you're not a worthless waste of space so.

There's that.

CelesJessa 03-27-2012 09:36 AM

watch out, art rant
 
Crappy ideas happen sometimes, that's why the phrase "kill your babies" exists, so you don't hold onto those crappy ideas for four years. To jump from there to "there is no freedom in art" is a big leap to make. And inaccurate. Art is completely unrestrained, even by the laws of physics(and lets not get into the specifics of this and start arguing about sculpture or something like that). If you want to make a story about magic girls who pull swords out of each other's chests and fight at the top of a structurally impossible arena in order to reach the castle that is suspended by nothing in the sky, (and then those girls later can transform into cars and race against other cars) then you can. That's the beautiful thing about art. And all of these four years, nothing stopped you from making your magical sexy catgirl adventure. What you're talking about is pleasing an audience. If you want more people than just yourself to appreciate what you're doing, then yes, you need to have some basic understanding of what makes an appealing story. Even the craziest, dumbest sounding ideas on paper can be done and done well as long as you execute it the right way. If you cook people a meal, but fail to heat it all the way through and oh yeah you threw some jellybeans into the mix and actually don't know the first thing about cooking other than it involves food, then nobody would be expected to like it just because it was made.

Take a step back and look at your work from an objective point of view. They weren't telling you to stop drawing catgirls completely because it's impossible to have a decent story/comic with catgirls, it's because you'll never learn if you don't stop doing the same thing over and over again. You can't get so closely attached to your work that you can't let it go and move onto something bigger and better. Take some classes, look up tutorials, god knows there's enough resources online, (and if I remember right, some time ago I linked you to a huge Vilppu drawing manual, which is an amazingly good resource. People spend hundreds of dollars just to learn from someone like Vilppu) If you are so passionate about making a story then learn how to make one.

Note: this rant isn't supposed to make you feel bad or give you reason to beat yourself up more. Like shiney said, you do have some skills, but you're not doing yourself any favors by clinging onto this story/art style. Let it go, explore new artistic avenues, learn, get better, and if then you still find that making Mischief Knights is your dream, then go back at it with new skills and a new mindset to make it something worth reading.


For frame of reference, you've worked on Mischief Knights for 4 years, look up Richard Williams. He worked on his masterpiece The Thief and the Cobbler for 28 years, and I'm willing to bet that a lot of people haven't even seen it, and honestly most people that have give it a resounding "meh", outside of enthusiasts. (PS I love that movie)

Kyanbu The Legend 03-27-2012 04:32 PM

Thanks CJ but being as I'm more of Game Designer and not really an artist. I think it's best If I just revive the original project which was a 2D platform indi game.

Like honestly I'm still somewhat shocked I got good at something I only did for one project. But yeah I don't have a interest in drawing beyond what I've done. Things could change and I could find a passion for it but right now, I don't care for it all that much.

I appreciate the help guys and it's been a rough day (online) but I think maybe this was a sign that I shouldn't have pretended to be something I originally wasn't just because mom said "oh hey your pretty good at drawing". That was a bad idea, but it kept me from being kicked out so I guess there's that. XD


Game Design is my passion and maybe it was the direction I should have stuck with. When I'm ready, I'll just go find an artist to do the character designs like I should have done from the beginning.

I won't be drawing much beyond D-Resonate stuff and working on getting that chapter 0 up.

Maybe I'll do some fanart of somethings. After all might as well make use of the talent I gained by accident right? lol

shiney 03-27-2012 09:08 PM

You're still doing it! Goddammit so much.

rpgdemon 03-27-2012 10:04 PM

It's worth considering that people offer comments and advice because of interest.

The Sevenshot Kid 03-27-2012 10:12 PM

How many times must this be said?
 
ART
IS
SUBJECTIVE!

Kyanbu The Legend 03-28-2012 06:30 PM

Just thought I'd copy/paste this here since it involves you guys too.

Quote:

from me to Nikose on DA,

Well for what it's worth I'm aware of the fact that Mischief knights is terrible, and that I'm a terrible writer. Continuing is just for completetions sake.( might as well finish what I started)

As for programing, I actually do have exprience in it. Intro to Programing was the only course at Camden County College that I actually passed. So I'm at entry level and have a basic understanding of programing though my math could still use some work.

Also it's like I said, good at it or not I don't have a passion for it and never really did beyond burning off sexual frustration. So to make a career out of it would be pointlessly frustrating for me.

Hate me if you like. It's the truth and I'm well aware of the growing hate for me brewing on the places I'm active on. Nothing I can do about it except deal with it.

I already know you are all frustrated. I already know that by the end of this week I'll be more hated then Snake was.

Hell, I'm STILL surprised I have not been banned out seer frustration.

Kyanbu The Legend 03-28-2012 06:32 PM

And to just to be clear. I'm only good at drawing because my mother and grandmother(now decised) were both good at it but never really took an interest in it.


So familywise it's no surprise I don't care much for it beyond burning off sexual frustration.

Token 03-28-2012 06:37 PM

I'd say something a little more eloquent, but you've reduced me to screaming.
 
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Token 03-28-2012 06:38 PM

There is just so much wrong with ALL the shit you just done said.


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