:ohdear:
I swear to god I will cry. I will take a picture of me crying and post it. And then you will feel bad right before you AUGHFUCKANEURYSM.

Your tears are delicious.

You'll have more than mine to enjoy when it becomes party knowledge. Next round for that, and the second check, I suppose.

The truth finally came out eh? Hilarious.

Hey Krylo, I'd like to have Arden cast Cure on Kole in the Elevator, is that alright?

I'll post tommorow morning, as usual. We survived, wonderful!

Yup.

For now!

That was the easy part, remember?

Oh come on. Because he didn't set a hive of killer bees on fire? Really?
Really?
Cause I'm pretty sure that's one hell of a riks to take.

And besides, if you wanted me to, you could've made a lore check. But like I said to Drac:
It could have helped us by damaging a lot of bees.
Or it could have just made all of them attack us.

I mean, jesus, everyone's acting like fire is a guaranteeed 100% good thing, yes indeed. But you don't think that, if he used it, it might just antagonize more bees, rather than killing them?

Edit: I mean come on. If you're gonna make your character a jackass at least make him a rational jackass.

That is all.
 

http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&...q=smoking+bees

Edit: Also, it doesn't really matter if you think it's a risk when half of your team is telling you to do it. It still makes you culpable when you don't do it and things go poorly.

Edit I lied about that being all: And whether someone did a roll or not is in character knowledge that Docus wouldn't have. All he would know is that Caspin knows about monsters, thus he should, in character, assume that he knows what he's talking about unless he has a reason not to.

I won't say WHETHER I did a roll, but Docus wouldn't know either way.

Metagaming makes me angry.

a) If docus had fried the hive when they told him to, he would have simply wasted a spell setting an empty hive on fire. Cause the queen spawned during their phase, before the spell would have struck. He is actually right.

b) He doesn't have monster lore, he couldn't know that until he was told. And he wasn't told about 'smoking bees'. A 4 cha and a 6 cha character yelled at him to set the tree on fire. These same characters had previously tried to murder each other over what was more or less a lover's spat. It is totally in-character for him to be skeptical.

c) And I actually do know about smoking bees. But I am not entirely certain how that translates into final fantasty and 1-foot Killer bees. I mean, for all I knew, you were planning on just having 10 of them spawn at once as they escape their burning hive.

He's wrong.

I was giving Docus one last chance to NOT be dense and wouldn't have spawned it if you cast that round.

This is also why the fluff text says it exited just after the spell went off.

Edit: The spawning of Royal Guards was supposed to be a hint, as well.

Caspin does. And he's a blue mage--whom are all basically experts on monsters from fluff.

And a 3 cha character, who is a blue mage and the character with the best monster knowledge of the group.
Edit3: OK, I guess Caspin is actually only tied with Fie and Argath in monster lore, but that really doesn't change anything.

When three people on a 7 person group tell you to do something, it is called team playing to do that thing. Those three people have every right to be mad at you when you don't do it.

I will be slightly surprised if Docus isn't in some way punished for nearly getting the group killed.

Edit: For the record I'm not arguing that Docus did the wrong thing for his character IC. I am arguing that it is totally ok for the other characters to decide that he doesn't get any reward IC as well, because, welp.

Edit2: As you said about Caspin, it's totally ok to RP a character in a way that pisses everyone off if that's in character for them, so long as you accept that there will be IC consequences to it.

Ok, soooo, this PROBABLY came off harsher than I meant it.

Gem: Docus was totally in character. I support Docus's actions as Docus is Docus. I further support DOCUS telling everyone that they are still wrong to be mad at him and being kinda flippant about anything they say or do and trying to spin everything back onto them even though Docus didn't listen and things went south.

I recognize entirely that you had IC reasons, potentially GOOD ones, given your character, for Docus to still do what Docus thought was best even when told by three other people that something else was best.

What I don't like, and what I'm arguing at you about is the tone you are taking in the discussion thread when you justify yourself. For instance, you could have justified Docus's actions with something along the lines of, "Well you guys are kind of low Charisma, and Docus is arrogant, and thought it was a risk, so he just didn't believe you yet. I'm sure we'll still be able to kill this bee, though, so no need to get angry about it!" which would sound less like an attack on your fellow players.

This is compounded by the fact that you give off this feeling in the way you choose your words that makes it seem like you think you are better than everyone else. MAYBE it is just a language thing, I know English is probably your second language and all, but it doesn't make it any easier to read.

And then there are some things, like this: "If you're gonna make your character a jackass at least make him a rational jackass." Which just read as attacks on your other players, and I can't see any way you meant it differently. Maybe instead you could have just said he was maybe taking his anger at Docus a little too far, and OC would probably say something about how Caspin is a dick who does that kind of thing--but at least we wouldn't be attacking each other out of character.

Basically, what I'd like from you is to keep playing Docus as you have been, but treat the other players in the thread more kindly.

Except Drac. You guys seem to have some kind of hate-lust thing going, and I'm not going to get in the way of that.

I mean, it's a game. We're here to have fun.

There are no zombies, but are there corpses?

Not in that room.

The corpses were down stairs around Raltz and Ark.

Weren't there corpses in basically every room and all around the city?

Basically every room, but not in the research lab upstairs. There were some more areas that were strangely corpseless in the hospital as well.

It's a Geminex thing.

<3<

But it's okay, we're an open relationship.

*Wink wink nudge nudge*

I recall three corpses on this floor, the Hospital's Admin (with a Mana Cannon Graft), a Secretary who looked terrified about something and an Orderly who'd been covered in vicious looking claw marks. We didn't examine the Secretary's body too closely, so I really don't know how she died. Still it looked more violent than the other bodies. The Orderly's was definitely more violent than usual though.

Incidentally, don't use the Pepper Bombs we found on this floor. They only work on Living targets. If I had more MP, I'd experiment by casting Restore on them for a Holy Elemental Spike, but considering Arden only has three Cures left in her, I'm not sure wasting my points on anything that isn't healing would be wise.

Anyway, feel free to reply to Bello while Arden's casting. Magic takes focus! She won't talk other than in distracted mutters. We can talk in flash-back form as well, if we have to.

Edit: I'll be using my Ether on Jhennek or Raltz, depending on whether we need more Healing or Thunder. If you're wondering.

Edit2: For Krylo's sake, assuming my formation's used, Ark would be in Melee of the Enemy, Elsa and Kole in Short Range (to start) and Arden, Bello and Jhen would be at Medium Range. Raltz can place himself, since Arden doesn't know where to put their strongest Healer - 'cuz of his sword. Can't be healing all the time.

And in the event the Elevator Doors start closing, Arden'll keep talking outside it, unless they're attacked or some such.

Caspin doesn't care about anything other than cooking. Cooking for him also includes his ever branching quest of taste, which in itself includes monster hunting. So when you doubt him in matters of monster or cuisine you sting at the weak points of his persona. So yes, because he didn't set the hive of killer bees on fire, doubted what Caspin got himself exiled from his birthplace for and bases his entire life upon and threw it in his face only to watch it get worse. He'll mark you as no different than his parents, and you lose any trust you might have earned.

And just for a note, in case no one ever says anything. Setting that tree on fire was the best possible thing you could have done two turns ago after you retreated. I knew this as a certainty, but it would have been metagaming to tell you this outright, and now that it is too late I can say that plainly.

You fucked up.

Look, I had this great long thing written out. I'm not gonna post it, because it might not be optimal right now, but here's the summary.

The main reason Docus didn't do what Caspin said (and I didn't do what you said, for that matter) is that you didn't justify it. Caspin told Docus what he wanted, but not why it would be successful. And I do think Docus' refusal makes sense in that light. If Caspin had actually displayed knowlege, or given an explanation, we'd be in an entirely different situation right now. And I'm kinda forced to ask, why didn't he? It wouldn't have been metagaming (and speaking of which, I wasn't aware of Krylo's stance on that, I'll remember from now on). In fact, it would've made a lot mroe sense than Caspin staying silent on the 'why', even if he isn't much of a team player. I won't say that the fault is Caspin's, Docus probably should have listened to the monster expert.

But come on, put yourself in the guy's shoes. The three people giving him orders are a would-be murderer, a thief and, well, Caspin (who's also kind of a would-be murderer, but Docus doesn't necessarily know that). As such, he considers them pretty untrustworthy, albeit part of the team. They didn't justify those orders, they just told him what to do. As such, he assumes they don't really have justification, which fits in with his character, since for him, communication is everything. I don't really think either I, or Docus, fucked up here. You cannot blame me or him for not taking orders, I think. You could blame me for disregarding information, but other than "Do this or we die", there really wasn't a lot of info. I won't give you any blame, but, again, why on earth didn't you have Caspin tell the team what he knew?

I do think it's kinda unreasonable for Caspin to get offended that Docus disregarded his expertise when he never displayed expertise. Especially considering that Docus probably saved his life, y'know?

Re: Krylo. As for me being an asshole...
In regards to the language thing, I'd be really interested in seeing where that pops up, since I do want to put a lid on it. I've been going through some of my posts, haven't found anything pertinent, yet. Could you isolate some examples?

As for the Jackass post, yeah, I could have responded better. But I made that fairly early in the morning, and I am not a morning person. Plus, I think Ovie knows me well enough to realize I rarely mean any insult. In case he doesn't, yo, Ovie. I totally didn't mean offense with that post. Sorry bout that.

And ultimately, I also don't think Docus deserves to lose his reward. This will probably ultimately be up to the team, but again: All Docus got were orders. Is it reasonable to expect him to follow those? I mean, we're worse off now, obviously, and yes, that is partly Docus' fault. But how should he have known?

Not for nothing, but I don't see why anyone should be upset about losing the trust of the character that none of the other characters trust to begin with.

Well, I want to be super-duper happy friends with everyone, so it does kidna annoy me, especially after the whole 'saving his life' thing.

But mostly this is just me, trying to explain to everyone why Docus screwed up, in the hopes that the 'I told you so's don't ring quite as loud.

You want to be super best friends with everyone but you won't show them the trust to listen when half the group says to do something?

And it would have been metagaming because I knew, but Caspin didn't. What he did know though was that we had already stirred the nest, and so they were going to keep coming out if we lit it or not. There was literally no loss that would come from him torching the source of all the bees.

Also, Caspin doesn't think Docus saved his life. He thinks he got away because he ran like a little girl, Caspin respected him because he didn't immediately ostracize the guy like many people tend to. And that was pretty big to him, but when you disregaurd him on matters that not only he spoke up about, but other team members agreed with he feels betrayed.

I'll note again that he only cares about his cooking and anything tied to it hence Artisan. You even scratch him on those matters and he will immediately shun you. He hasn't had a good history of it, hence Outsider. There is nothing else to it.

Okay, you have a point there. In my defense, Vera has the highest CHAR out of you three, and even that's not great. Plus, like I said: You three haven't made the best impression. If Prasad, or Fie had made the same request, Docus might have mumbled something along the lines of 'on your head' and done it, cause when they make the request, it seems a lot less likely that they have ulterior motives of any sort. He just trusts them more, by virtue of them not having been involved in teamkilling clusterfucks.

Well, they were coming out at a rate of, like, 2 every few seconds. What Docus (and I) were afraid of was that setting the tree on fire would make them come out much, much faster than that.

Besides, you're saying that Caspin didn't actually know? Huh. Then it wasn't even a question of disobeying the monster guy, or of questioning his expertise! It was a question of whether or not to take a risk. You guys wanted to, Docus didn't want to, cause he thought the risk was too great. Sure, 3 team members thought it didn't, and not complying was kind of a jackass thing to do...

But hey, we'll see how the whole thing turns out. With any luck he'll be able to win back Vera and Argath, especially if he manages to get Jade, Fie and Prasad on his side. As for Caspin... Docus is capable of humility. Maybe he'll give that a try.

I certainly hope nobody actually(OOCly) cares that Docus didn't burn it. Hey, the queen bee will give us extra Exp or something!

(ICly) Vera's pissed because BEEES EVERYWHERE but I don't think she would hold a grudge about it, other than her normal bitchiness.

And for the record:
Vera has been nothing but trustworthy! 8D

: D
Oh course she ha-
Wait.
Where's my wallet?

As for caring OOCly, I don't really think so. Like I said, I'm just giving you all a valuable insight into the mind of the Tarut. And saying that I totally didn't fuck up and Docus should definitely not have to sacrifice his share of the reward.
Ovie's just elaborating on his character.

Edit:
Though after Krylo pratically inviting people to tear into Docus over this IC, you'll excuse me if I remain on the defensive a bit longer.

The infighting amuses me to no end.
 

And I still do!

But, yeah, that was probably a poor way to handle it, I just read your original post that read like you telling Overcast that he wasn't playing his character 'right', and attacked you in the same way without stopping to really think about what had ACTUALLY bothered me.

Like I said, the Barb at Ovie wasn't entirely serious. And hey, if I wanna point out (seeming) inconsistencies in his character's behavior, why not?

: /
Y'know, the only reason people have any reason at all to be pissed at me is that you told them that, hey, guys, Gem's totally to blame for this one!

That's fine, I guess, if you want to punish me for deciding not to take a risk.

But should you, as DM, really be judging over characters? I mean, why not let the group itself decide, IC or OOC whether Docus really is to blame? When the DM takes sides and says that yes, my character is, in fact, at fault, that kinda stacks the deck against me.

Especially since I don't think what he did was unreasonable, or even worth punishing. Especially since none of them actually knew any more that Docus did. This was simply a question of taking a risk. Should we? Should we not? At that point in time, I still think 'we should not, despite what they say' was a valid course of action, both IC and OOC. Saying that it wasn't, and that he's been some sort of uncooperative asshole who doesn't deserve a reward (I'm paraphrasing here, but you know...) kinda stings.

Especially when you've said nothing of the sort against the team-killers, who've actually threatened each others' survival.

Edit:
If Docus really did something terrible, I'd be happy to hear about it! Cause I haven't been able to identify it so far.

And if you're really that pissed at my use of language, let that out on me! Not my character.

Edit2:
Okay, re-reading the last page, what was probably just trolling. But I totally warned you that I was on the defensive over here, so ima leave this post. At worst I'll emberass myself further. And I mean, drop in an ocean, right?

Haha. YEAH that was a joke.

And I don't expect them to not give you any reward. I expect them to be pissed at Docus and what not.

Though one minor point: Docus also took a risk by NOT burning the hive. It was a risk either way.

Also saying it was all your fault was kind of half joking as well. I mean, it's kinda true, because you're the only one who could have stopped it and half your team was telling you to, but as you said, you didn't know for sure what would happen.

I tried to drop a few hints here and there (like two royal guards coming out--why would royal guards come out?) But I didn't outright tell anyone who I didn't trust to keep quiet.

I don't think I even told OC? Maybe he heard it from someone else? Maybe I did and forgot?

Anyway, point being, Docus made a risk benefit analysis and he ended up being wrong. That's not really a good reason to punish him too harshly, but I would kind of expect a tongue thrashing.

ALSO: THERE IS A REWARD FOR KILLING THE EXTRA BOSS.

Just so you know it's not ALL bad. And also everyone else knows that, and hopefully gets less pissy about it.

Well, I was aware that there was a risk either way. But the situation didn't really seem that desperate, y'know? We were fending off the bees allright.

Oh, tounge thrashing, sure. Conflict is fun, and it's easy to come out on top if you do it right.

But HANDS OFF MY GIL. That includes Vera.
It double includes her.

...

Okay, anyway, we can finish this IC. Now let's GET ON WITH IT.

Though about the whole 'arrogance conveyed via word choice', I'd appreciate some help correcting that. I mean, I don't want to be an accidental asshole. I'm smack-dab alongside being an intentional asshole, naturally.

Okay, now we can get on with it. Good to get the tension out of the air, I guess.

McTahr, does Fie already know that the Fresk is gonna bleed out soon? Cause if so, he should get there ASAP. Docus' fire, plus the weapons, should be enough to kill the Queen in a couple of rounds. And once Fie is done with the Fresk, he can keep casting, since the Fresk is in medium range of the hives.

Hahaha.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Haaaaahahahahahahahahaha!

Edit: Speaking of, Tahr did mention he'd have Fie do that other healing roll this round, so I may as well tell him now so he can incorporate it all into one post.

I rest my case.

Also, I need to reread the parts of this thread that are actually relevant.

That's crap.

It was still a question of disobeying the monster guy, because Docus had no reasonable way of knowing for sure that Caspin didn't know.

That being said, we are so totally taking your share of the reward and splitting it among each other.

And Caspin's too, after I murder him.

Well, I've explained this. Docus assumes that, if Caspin knows something, he will share it. Caspin didn't share anything. Docus assumed he didn't have any information. He doesn't know FOR SURE, but he is reasonably certain.

I will bring down a fucking hellstorm upon you, my wrath will be never-ending!

Totally cool with this, though.

I think it may be time for Vera and Argath to bury the hatchet in favor of a common goal.

Normally I'd protest, but dammit, this I have to see. It will be hilarious.

I mean, really, how long do you think this would last? 2 hours before one of you makes a juuuust slightly derogatory comment and it's back to Mr and Mrs Huge Bitch?
Vera is obviously Mr. Huge Bitch.

And when you're fighting again, Docus makes peace with one of you, then offers the other to make peace with him as well on much worse terms. Like "You pay me to stop fighting against you" terms. And you will, too, cause if you don't it's 2 versus 1.

It's really funny how much of this bickering isn't going to matter after my next post or so. Keep it up though, I'll get some popcorn.

For the record: Fie definitely wouldn't hold Docus' decision against him or try and penalize him, but would expect him to learn from it and perhaps be more open to suggestions whenever half the party is shouting them. It's in combat, Caspin can't sit us down and have a chat about the birds and the bees and the fire and the breeze.

Well, we're done now, so stuff your popcorn.
And besides, it wasn't so much bickering as... clarifying. And stopping people from calling me and/or my character idiots.

First, glad to see someone reasonable. Second, talking's a free action. And I don't want long explanations, just a factual justification. That's not hard. And even if it were, it's not like his attacks are doing anything. Use his standard action, tell Docus what he needs to know and boom, no queen.

Ooooooh! OH no he din't!

You gonna take that Ovie?

I think I told him that burning the Hive would solve the problem, but I don't think I mentioned the boss (I think I said there were Fifty bees inside it?). Just the same, I'll be more careful with what I know from now on. Didn't think confirming Overcast's suspicious would result in this much, erm, aggression? From him.

One way or another, I'm sorry. :ohdear:

I'll also toss in that I'd say you're right this time Gem, Docus didn't do anything wrong in-character. Mitigating factors mitigate wonderfully.

But, since you asked about places where you may wanna watch your language?

Knee-jerk Yaoi implications aside (Docus on top, hah!), when you say things like that, it sounds like you're belittling the other players around you. Implying you can out smart them all, and turn even the most stacked situation to your advantage doesn't exactly make you many friends. Particularly when, you know, manipulating people to your advantage hurts them.

You probably meant it as a joke, but just remember this isn't supposed to be a competition about who can screw everyone else over more.

...although I can see how you got that idea.

Again, not a joke. Just Geminex being Geminex.

On another note, Krylo, is there a chance we're ever going to go up against something that doesn't heal itself in some way over the course of the RP?

The zombies don't!

Question: couldn't we have someone, like, shank the bastard to keep it from fully healing and getting back up?

It's one round away from fully healed. Meaning it's almost fully healed.

What do you think attacking a sleeping monster is going to do?

Edit: Answer: It will wake up and be angry.

Option B: spear it through the head.

Sleeping monsters ain't got no evasion.

They still have HPs and ARM, though!

How about an eye, would an eye work?

Or a nostril, all the way to the brain.

Its brain is very small.

Edit: And its skull very thick... and the head is one of the parts they wanted in good condition.

Well a spear up the nostril should still fuck SOME shit up.

Maybe it'll end up trying to eat its own arm.

It will inhale your spear like cocaine and go on a drug induced frenzy.

... But a fun drug-induced frenzy, right?

That thing is just asking to get devoured.

The bee, or the Fresk?

Because if Caspin tried to sink his teeth into the Fresk, I'm pretty sure it would sink its teeth into him.

So sure, go ahead.

Caspin has one more round apparently to chomp on that bitch like it was thanksgiving up in the forest.

And he is going to do it now. There really isn't any more asking about it.

Well it's getting up next round.

He could move to medium range this round, and then devour it next round before it gets up I guess.

But Argath is going to chase him down and spear him through the fucking chest.

That's fine. This situation was bound to go to hell anyway.

Oh boy.

Also: Might be smarter not to wake it up if it's not going to.
 

Devour only works on things with 0 HP or less. Not things that are napping.

I mean, go ahead and try. Caspin put it down, so Caspin is first on its bitch list either way. I just want to make sure you aren't trying to do something that won't work via the mechanics without knowing that.

... Can I spear Caspin through the chest anyway?

Only if you roll good enough.

It's more likely you'll spear him in the gut.

Edited, tell Argath to stop being an idiot and fight the bees or we are all going to die.

Nope, Caspin is getting run through.

I might avoid posting in the rp until tomorrow. I'm currently in the middle of a lovely cocktail of ice cream and pain meds after having my wisdom teeth removed this morning, so I don't really trust myself not to post anything idiotic right now.


Well... more idiotic than usual, I mean.

If such a thing is possible.

I just laid on my back and slept for two days.
 

Haha, I remember that well.

Don't worry about it. That is totally and completely understandable. To the supermax.

In regards to planning, I've been thinking.

We know that the Fresk is asleep. And from Tahr's post, we can see that, while it is healing, it is not yet done healing. In particular, the anti-magic arm is not yet done healing.

Sooo... Why not take the opportunity, and have the mages attack it? Sure, it'll wake up. But it'll wake up with 75 HP less than it would otherwise. That means that we should be able to take it out with comparable ease.

If we wait anouther turn, it'll be back with full HP and a fully fuctioning anti-magic arm, which means that we'd have a much harder time killing it with magic.

So I'm thinking the mages should focus on the Fresk this turn, provided that I'm correct in assuming that the arm's not yet healed.

Considering that this round, all the mages are doing is attacking the queen, for another <30 damage, I think it's worth it to take the Fresk down by more than half. In fact, wait a second!
Guys, look up teamwork attacks. Apparently, mages can use them as well, and, here's the kicker:
We could use two magical teamwork attacks on the Fresk (one this turn, one next turn), to ignore the arm and bring it back to negative HP, while the rest of you deal with the bees this turn, and the queen next turn. I have a feeling that mages are gonna suck against the queen anyway, so it's not a huge loss. The only problem, I guess, is that said queen is going to be coming for the mages soon, but there has to be a way around that. Krylo's post says "the pain coming from them meant more to her than petty insults", so I'm kinda hoping that, if you guys attack the queen, you'll manage to distract her long enough for us to put the Fresk back to bed. Or maybe attack the hive, I'm sure there must still be larvae in there. I'll throw in an intimidation check from Docus.

And even we we don't do that, there's better ways to allocate our resources. I'm pretty sure that Docus casting against the guard, Vera hitting 2, Jade hitting 5 and Prasad, Caspin and Argath going for the queen is more effective. Vera can't wait for Fie's spell to resolve because the spell's a slow action.

Also, just out of curiosity, what's up with Caspin's sudden burst of leadership?

Edit:
And Teal, yeah. I keep forgetting that the people here don't know me that well. I very rarely mean to belittle anyone or their characters. If anything, that was a challenge, not an insult. But mostly just a joke.

Though in my defense, I have planned out how to best turn whom against whom should it become necessary.

I don't want to attack the Fresk right now, the longer we let it sleep the more we can concentrate on murdering the queen and her lackies. If we can get it alone we may be able to kill it again, but if we are splitting the difference we'll just end up in a boss fight gang bang I don't think any of us will walk away from.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Fresk wakes up turn after the next anyway. So we wouldn't be buying much time. In fact, since spells are slow actions, I don't think we'd be buying any time by waiting.
PC phase: Docus and Fie start casting
Enemy phase: Bees do their thing, Fresk heals
Start of PC phase: Spells resolve and hit the Fresk
Enemy Phase: Fresk wakes up, but he would've woken up anyway.

The difference would be that the queen would've taken less damage, and bee 1 would be still alive. But the Fresk would weakened pretty severely, and if the queen's distracted next turn (and, admittedly, that's a pretty big if), Fie and Docus would be able to fullly take out the Fresk, with just 2 spells each. That would leave Fie with one Aero and one Cure, and Docus, I think, with 2 Fires.

I mean, I think it's going to be a gang-bang anyway, I think, cause even if everyone piles in, the bees are going to survive long enough for the Fresk to rear its ugly head, and then we're gonna be under attack from both sides. For one, if we have the mages take out the Fresk, that would kinda help prevent that.

But it's not so much the gang-banging I'm concerned with. It's the Mana. We don't have a lot of it left. And if we focus on the bees now, we're going to be spending a lot of mana to do not-very-much damage (since most of the remaining targets are either weakened so far that they're not worth a spell, or have high MARM). Wheras casting spells on the Fresk, is, I think, a lot more effective than attacking it normally. Basically, what I'm afraid of is that, if we focus on the bees now, we'll have to take it out using weapons, and I don't think we can do that.

I'm just tired of that asshole bee trying to cast Pollen all the time.

I've had another thought. It's true, my plan relies on distracting the queen. But we have to do that anyway. Because otherwise, next turn, the Queen's gonna move into short range of our mages, while our warriors are all attacking the bees near the hive. And once she's within short range of Docus and Fie, I really don't like their chances of survival. I mean, with any luck, we can have Fie run away and Docus taunt the bitch and defend (or we could just have both of them run away, but that would tie up our mages while the Fresk revives), while the rest of the team catches up and hopefully manages to kill it before it takes out Fie as well. But that'll cost us a mage. And when Docus goes down, not only will I be in trouble, cause, y'know, he'll be bleeding out, but you'll also have a really hard time killing the Fresk, since, to even hit him with a spell, you'd have to take out the anti-magic arm again before it's even worth Fie casting. And by then, he'd be really short on mana.

Of course, you could try killing it physically, but what with the anti-physical arm, I doubt that'd be really successful.

Alas, my post has been editted again for the sake of awesomeness.

Sorry Ovie.

TEH DWAGON WAS A...

DISTACTION

Awesomeness, and distracting the queen. We need the mages for The Fucker, we can't have them get disrupted by The Bitch.

That was kinda my point, the Fresk at the time is a non-combatant. And while we will have a terribly crappy time taking it on physically I think we could pull it off if we can take out all our other enemies as soon as possible. If phys arm works anything like the mag-arm I'll just have Caspin sacrifice his worthless attack to absorb it then let everyone else beat it to piss.

I was hoping that if we do the same thing to the Queen pretty much right now then we'll have her as a non-combatant by the time the Fresk becomes active. She will be less likely to turn off to the mages if everyone within earshot is stabbing her with things, and there is no way she can have such high MARM and still have a reasonable ARM.

The Fresk will still have a movement action to do even when he wakes, and there is probably only one person he really REALLY wants dead right now and that was the one who took him down.

Finally, if the Fresk doesn't need to be awake to use the anti-magic arm(and since monster lore said it was the crystals that may be the case) we are going to do about the same damage no matter which way the midgets turn their spells. It is mostly just which thing we want to kill first.

Well, my point is, we know that spells are more effective against the Fucker than the Bitch. If we focus on the Bitch now, we're not going to have much left to use against the Fucker. I agree that physical attacks are more effective against the Bitch than the Fucker. Which is why I want all the warriors to take on The Bitch, and the mages to finish off The Fucker. It won't make a difference timing-wise, since when the mages' spells hit, it would have woken up anyway.

As for the arm, first, Tahr's post implies that it's not done regenerating yet, and second, even if it is, we're using a teamwork attack. That negates "most" defences. Unless Krylo wants to make our first boss ever be immune to that, but I honestly think that'd be a bit much.

It's not a question of who to kill first. It's a question of whom to kill with what, y'know?

And I don't think the physical arm can only absorb one attack.

Who says it wakes up next round? Fie said it was healing, but as we can all reasonably tell, it's sleeping/out/snoozing. It's better to clear out our current targets and regroup, and IC, that's what Fie's doing.

Especially since with his little shpiel, he's not gonna get much else in on his turn if he sits and waits for other folk to talk.

Just a thought.
 

You know, you COULD just NOT cast spells on the queen OR the udrafresk for awhile to conserve MP for the big guy without potentially waking him up early.

Stop talking crazy, you.

That kinda puts our mages out of action. Which isn't a bad thing as such, particularly since they're gonna be running from the queen anyway.

But when I wrote that, I was under the impression that the Fucker would actually wake up pretty soon, so that it was less of a choice of when to engage, but whom. As it is, we still have the faint, faint hope that you'll let us finish off the bees before throwing the Fresk at us, so I'm going to cling to that.

Though I'm curious, how are you handing Teamwork attacks? The manual says they can overwhelm most defences, even stuff that bosses do. Are you sticking to the 'most' bit?

Edit:
Also, engaging the Fresk while it's asleep kinda gives us a free attack on it, since, if we wait for it to wake up first, our spells will only start casting after it wakes up and takes an action, meaning they'll only affect it after it takes another action. If it decides that it's hungry for a Tarut snack, our magic would be pretty much useless since we'd be too busy running. Thank god Caspin's the target right now (though we don't know that).

Also also, if we each save up one spell, we'll have enough, at most, to short out the physical arm, but we won't be able to kill it outright. That duty would lie with our warriors, which, even if we aero the physical arm, is a prospect I'm none too keen on. Still, let's hope for the best.

Edit2: Also, get on the pad. I wanna ask about metagaming. To be specific, I wanna know what you consider metagaming, and how much of it you're okay with us doing.

Edit3: And how does mediation work? Like, after the beehive has been defeated, could Docus crouch down next to one of the bees, and bring it onto their team? If so, to what degree could he control it?

Edit4:
Aaaand crappy post is done. Bluh, I'm tired. I'm having Docus run because I'd like to save up his last few spells for now, and because we need to separate our casters anyway. Standing Together is fine, but it's too easy to threaten us.

They work in a variety of ways! Depending on the specific things being combined and the goals of the people using them.

FOR INSTANCE you may weave your spells together to make them 'tighter' harder to disrupt (thus getting past defenses like the book says), or you may saaaaay use the powerful gusts of wind from Fie's Aero to spread your fire into an AoE (doing less damage, obvs).

THE SKY IS THE LIMIT! Just check with me to see if something is possible, and I will judge based upon dramatic appeal and balance.

I wasn't online all day. I'm guessing you're in bed now, as you certainly aren't on the pad.

SO: Using any out of character knowledge as though you have it in character is metagaming. I don't like that.

As for how much of a hard ass I am about it? Not too much. Blatant disregard for the concept of in character and out of character divisions will probably ruffle me a bit, but if you can justify a reason for your character to do something that is in character I won't complain.

For instance, let's say that Vera stole the plans to the enemy super weapon, and then there was a time skip. In the discussion thread I posted what the plans were (instead of in a PM like usual), or she told you in the edupad or whatever, but there's no mention of Vera actually telling Docus about it.

So when the time comes, you fire a proton torpedo fire spell at the unprotected ventilation shaft weak point rather than yelling at you for metagaming, I'll just assume that Vera told Docus about it during the time skip or whatever.

Some conversations can happen entirely off screen.

Sure. I'm sure there's a few that are just dying instead of dead. Might need some kind of healing to be useful, though. To the same degree you can control any other party member.

Not at all.

But it will be on your side.

ANYWAY gonna check both threads now and update at least group 2's.

Don't tell them about Vera's stolen secret plans!

Help me, Docus! You are my only hope!

Hell. The fuck. Yes.

Okay. What about extensive planning? I read what you said about the way I treat people in the Pad, and I'll probably address that later, but for now, how much planning are you okay with us doing? Is anything free game, as long as it uses IC knowlege, or do you draw the line somewhere?

Edit:
In regards to planning, anyone got ideas?

Cause hearing what Krylo's said about teamwork attacks, I'm thinking that we should try one out. Let's just have all the warriors attack in unison. It's gotta give some sort of bonus!

Especially (and I'm loathe to say this, because I really wanna save my mana for the Udrafresk, but it's probably necessary), especially if the mages throw in a couple of spells. Either to deal direct damage, or to raise their allies' damage tier.

Krylo, could we do that? Have Docus and Fie empower their allies' weapons with the power of Wind and Flame?

Well, shit, if we wanted just one super round, have Docus create burning flames on his ally's weapons, while the warriors work in unison, and Fie sends gusts of wind to nab up some leaves and spin them around the Udrafresk's head and blind him.

And, of course, make it sound awesome?

Or!
Have Jade set up a small ramp for Argath with her sword, have him run up with Fie gusting him into the air, while Docus empowers his spear and he jabs that thing right through the brainy parts.

I enjoy crazy opportunities.

Did I mention I was taking a degree of realism as an unstated component to dramatic appeal?