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Lady_Galadhriel 05-21-2004 08:18 AM

World Dissucions
 
Ok I have a question. No matter how many times I run this over and over in my head I can't seem to figure out why all the countries always have to mind another countries business.

Take for instance The US going over to Iraq. The whole world knows that Bush only went over there for the oil. And now look what happened, gas is almost $2.50 a gallon. On top of it all he spends milloins of american dollars a week keeping us in a war where all we do is have soliders killed. It has done almost no good. The only thing that is good about the War in Iraq is thae fact that there is not a communist government in control. But now that there is no government the people of Iraq hate us and want to rebel against us.

I don't mean totally ignore country's but maybe we should be a little more cautious about who we choose to fight for, and what the TRUE reasons for fighting are. I also think that being there is spending american money that could be used for bettering our domestic programs. I thought that the whole idea was to rid(sp?) them of a communist leader. Now that we have done that why are we still there?? Why hasn't someone else been put into power that will not rule like a communist??

I will never fully understand why we are in Iraq. We have caused so much pain being there. We can't we just mind our business!?

I am also sorry if I have offended anyone.

Osterbaum 05-21-2004 08:59 AM

Well you have a point...but we can't just go around and not think of what happens outside of our little perfect world. What if some country really needs our help, but we say: "Nope, sorry. We don't care..." Think about that...

Just Jon 05-21-2004 10:42 AM

Besides, as things tend to happen with our culture and business policies, things tend to happen to us if we begin to slack. Besides, who else is going to do the job? I don't see the rest of the world lining up to pick up where we'd leave off.

(Whew, that was the most conservative thing I've ever said. Feels all tingly.)

As for the oil thing, that's been debunked before, search through the older threads if you like. I'm sure you'll find some evidence to the contrary.

Squishy Cheeks 05-21-2004 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Osterbaum
Well you have a point...but we can't just go around and not think of what happens outside of our little perfect world. What if some country really needs our help, but we say: "Nope, sorry. We don't care..." Think about that...

Well we did that to Vietnam after World War 2. So Ho Chi Mihn went and talked to Stalin, who did care. We all know how that turned out.

Viper Daimao 05-21-2004 10:57 AM

minding your own business could have worked 100 or even 75 years ago, but in this day and age, the world is a much smaller place. Things that happen across the world affect us.

take the Asian financial crisis. On October 27, 1997, the Dow Jones industrial plunged 554-point, or 7.2 percent, amid ongoing worries about the Asian economies. In reaction Greenspan lowered interest rates here in America not because of a direct need to here, but to strengthen the Asian currencies. wait and see when the Chinese asset bubble pops and we have a Chinese financial crisis (which hopefully we can lessen the impact on us like we did the Agentine Financial crisis).

sept 11th should have shown you that you cant ignore problems and whats happening outside your own boarders (well at least a country like the US can't, smaller less significant countries can probably get away with it though increasingly less so) To think that "minding our own business" would mean the USS Cole wouldnt have been bombed or the Twin Towers wouldnt have been attacked is a comforting thought, but simplistic and false. Look at Spain who said they would withdraw all their troops from iraq, despite soldiers objections, and still they have al qaeda attempting to attack them. look at france, no nation did more to stop the attack on Iraq than they did, and they also are finding bombs on trains and recieving threats of terrorist attacks. There is no hiding.

Psycho Mantis 05-21-2004 11:08 AM

We are all humans. Countries are just arbitrary lines drawn across the landscape. Just because someone is on the other side of the line doesnt mean that they arent worth looking out for.

Bob The Mercenary 05-21-2004 01:28 PM

On the subject of oil:

As I was looking for an article to use for my Economics project I stumbled upon an interesting editorial about why oil prices have risen even though we just pwned Iraq. The guy said something along the lines of if the Iraq oil makes gas prices cheaper by the barrel, oil producing countries would suffer a crushing loss. This would make us even less popular around the world.

Lucas 05-21-2004 02:09 PM

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I thought that the whole idea was to rid(sp?) them of a communist leader
saddam wasn't a commie.

RaiRai 05-21-2004 02:13 PM

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The whole world knows that Bush only went over there for the oil.
They do? No, you suspect. If that were the case then the States would be keeping all the oil and prices would be low. Don't jump to conclusions based off of a semi-common opinion. Research and argue from a standpoint of actual fact, with proof and backups, instead of just throwing around whatever you feel like.

Lucas 05-21-2004 03:08 PM

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If that were the case then the States would be keeping all the oil and prices would be low
the current spike in prices isn't a natural trend, its a bubble being created for short term profits over "concern" over "violence" saudi arabia isn't in the thick of a period of unrest or anything, yet they raised their prices. they're just gouging for the hell of it.

oh man, i'm like random fact man in this thread.


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