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Jagos 04-27-2011 08:10 AM

How I stopped worrying and learned to copy
 
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After years of reading intellectual property law blogs from some of the greatest legal minds, I’m finally ready to admit that I was wrong. The fight against illegal copying is one that cannot be won. I can no longer deny the simple truth that it is ultimately futile to try to create artificial scarcities in what would otherwise be non-scarce goods. The digital revolution has allowed us to copy and share media for free and we should not let our antiquated laws stop us from enjoying these incredible technologies. It is time to fully embrace the digital revolution.

To be clear, I’m not talking about using P2P programs, cyber-lockers, illegal streaming or any other file-sharing technology.

I’m going to start printing my own money.
This has got to be one of the worst articles on copyright that is currently being circulated. I can't say enough things about it, but yes, there are idiots in the world. Tell you what, after you read this, I'll put up more information in regards to why he has no commentary on this and why it's just so bad...

Professor Smarmiarty 04-27-2011 08:23 AM

That is grade A trolling argument.

Amake 04-28-2011 01:22 AM

I wish his desire for a free society was coherent enough to allow comments on that post.

Then I would ask, "You do know that dollar bills are not digital media, right?"

Fifthfiend 04-28-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants (Post 1123351)
That is grade A trolling argument.

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Originally Posted by Invisible Queen (Post 1123567)
"You do know that dollar bills are not digital media, right?"

Actuallly among the many ways in which this is such spectacular trolling is that he's not wrong about this; dollars essentially are digital media.

Like, IIRC the amont of "money" in circulation that exists purely as electronic numbers IIRC vastly outnumbers the amount of actual printed money in circulation.

Magus 04-28-2011 05:53 PM

So something that theoretically destroys the economy of an entire country by causing massive inflation, assuming it were on a large scale, which it probably isn't (counterfeiting) = something that decreases imaginary foregone profit for entertainment corporations (pirating)?

Unless he is saying that it is impossible to completely destroy counterfeiting? In which case he is right and is just looking for a pat on the back I guess for his completely obvious observation?

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Originally Posted by James Gannon
When I start making my own copies of Canadian bills, it’s going to be strictly for my own personal use. Buying gas and groceries, paying bills, a nice restaurant or two maybe. Perhaps I’d share the bills with a few friends or family, but I definitely wouldn’t be producing counterfeit bills on a commercial scale with the intent of re-selling them. That would be wrong and hurtful to the economy, and that’s what anti-counterfeit officers should really focus their efforts on. I find it appalling that the government would want to go after poor university students who are just making personal copies of currency in their dorms to share with their friends.

But aren't you stealing actual physical goods with fake money that the people paid real money for, as opposed to digital copies of electronic media--Oh, wait, you're just being an asshole. Nevermind.

(Not to mention that the argument that the government should focus on people selling counterfeit money over people using it for personal use...is actually a good argument? They should focus on those people over the others. At what point is the sarcasm supposed to kick in?)

Krylo 04-28-2011 08:34 PM

Special Paper, Special Ink, Microprint, Etc. You can't just run it off your laserjet
 
If you want to talk seriously about stuff he got wrong, I liked the assertion that anyone can print money with what they have in their living room.

Though I think I prefer just kind of rolling our eyes at it in its entirety and stamping a troll face on him.

Pip Boy 04-28-2011 08:52 PM

I dunno, trolling is usually done to try and get a rise/reaction out of people whereas I think this particular intentional logical fallacy was supposed to be funny.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche 04-28-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 1123626)
Like, IIRC the amont of "money" in circulation that exists purely as electronic numbers IIRC vastly outnumbers the amount of actual printed money in circulation.

I kinda hate the "I'd never buy this thing so it's not stealing to pirate it" but lets apply that for a second.

Now in this theoretical scenario I download an image editing software piece called Kittens illegally. The company that made Kittens will likely never know that I did so, and after a few uses of Kittens I'll probably just delete it and go about my business like nothing ever happened.
But if I were to produce actual physical currency and then go "buy" Kittens with that money I've just made, then it's almost entirely different.
Not only have I taken an object that cost money to ship, produce, and be stocked on the shelves, but it's actually kind of likely that I had the balls to get some change for it.
I've just been paid $5.50 in change for stealing Kittens from the store, and that's terrible.awesome.

Fifthfiend 04-28-2011 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pip Boy (Post 1123656)
I dunno, trolling is usually done to try and get a rise/reaction out of people whereas I think this particular intentional logical fallacy was supposed to be funny.

It is indeed someone ~just joking~ in order to, by that joke, uncritically advance premises which themselves are sensationally idiotic; a classic of the trolling forms.

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Originally Posted by Karesh (Post 1123658)
I kinda hate the "I'd never buy this thing so it's not stealing to pirate it" but lets apply that for a second.

Now in this theoretical scenario I download an image editing software piece called Kittens illegally. The company that made Kittens will likely never know that I did so, and after a few uses of Kittens I'll probably just delete it and go about my business like nothing ever happened.
But if I were to produce actual physical currency and then go "buy" Kittens with that money I've just made, then it's almost entirely different.
Not only have I taken an object that cost money to ship, produce, and be stocked on the shelves, but it's actually kind of likely that I had the balls to get some change for it.
I've just been paid $5.50 in change for stealing Kittens from the store, and that's terrible.awesome.

The real failure in the comparison made is that counterfeiting currency involves copying something, and then, deliberately representing it to someone else as an item actually produced by the original issuer and backed by the full faith and credit of that issuer.

If this fairly doltish fellow were to copy a bunch of dollar bills, then keep them in his home for the purpose of admiring his own handiwork, never attempting to pass them into actual circulation, then well it'd probably still be illegal, but I for one would look askance at any massive government intervention meant to stop him.

But once he takes those bills, misrepresents them as actual dollar bills, and exchanges them for goods and services with people under the impression that they actually are legitimate currency, then that's the actual point where it becomes a problem.

Amake 04-29-2011 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 1123626)
Actuallly among the many ways in which this is such spectacular trolling is that he's not wrong about this; dollars essentially are digital media.

Like, IIRC the amont of "money" in circulation that exists purely as electronic numbers IIRC vastly outnumbers the amount of actual printed money in circulation.

But he's specifically justifying printing physical bills because he wants to appreciate their artistic value, pretending that their value as money is unimportant. Which part of that has anything to do with the "digital revolution"?

By the way can money even be described as "goods" as in "an object whose consumption increases the utility of the consumer"? I think consuming money does the exact opposite of that, since you get stuck with specific stuff instead of the ability to buy any stuff. It's the age old conundrum of "What does money actually do for you unless you use it?" or as we used to say "You can't eat money" which is something everyone had figured out like a few thousand years ago except this guy.


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