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Oskar's Email Factory, est. 1939

Let's have a thread about Schindler's List.

Okay, it might be mostly just about Oskar Schindler. He starts out as a pretty big jerk factory. War profiteer, exploiter of the workers, womanizer, sublimely self-involved. But then he saves 1200 people from being horribly murdered. I've been trying to figure out if anyone in history has done anything more for humanity, in defiance of authority and without using violence.

(While wearing a swastika is a bonus, but not a requirement.)

Gandhi is probably not in this list because he didn't exactly save people from getting killed?

Also I guess that Sweden as a country may count?

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Toward the end of the war, Sweden began to play a role in humanitarian efforts and many refugees, among them many Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe, were saved partly because of the Swedish involvement in rescue missions at the internment camps and partly because Sweden served as a haven for refugees, primarily from the Nordic countries and the Baltic states.[60] Nevertheless, internal and external critics have argued that Sweden could have done more to resist the Nazi war effort, even if risking occupation

Welp, there's that last part. Goddammit wikipedia. :(

Also Ghandi actively supported racist wars as long as they weren't against Indians and delayed India's independence because he wouldn't work with Muslims and pretty much helped lead to the conflict of India and Pakistan today.

Stoopid school history not telling all the depressing dark sides of people and our past!

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Nevertheless, internal and external critics have argued that Sweden could have done more to resist the Nazi war effort, even if risking occupation

This is probably the most disingenuous criticism ever since the majority of Western countries did jack shit to help Jewish refugees, even turning many of them away and deporting them back to Nazi Germany. In fact many American corporations secretly profited from the Nazi war machine (Ford, GM, IBM, anybody?). Anything at all is better than nothing in this case! I mean, if the criticism is from Jewish people, well okay, but maybe you should go pick on countries that did jack shit first, is all I'm saying.

Although then again I'm guessing that in whichever Wikipedia article that linked from has no footnote on that last sentence, anyway, i.e. it is just somebody's (probably disingenuous) opinion.

EDIT: Not that I'm trying to go out of my way to defend Sweden but as far as I can tell they did way more than the majority of the world as far as helping with stopping the actual Holocaust?

ANOTHER EDIT:

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Okay, it might be mostly just about Oskar Schindler. He starts out as a pretty big jerk factory. War profiteer, exploiter of the workers, womanizer, sublimely self-involved. But then he saves 1200 people from being horribly murdered. I've been trying to figure out if anyone in history has done anything more for humanity, in defiance of authority and without using violence.

This just makes him sound like Batman (I mean, except the violence part). He apparently just pretended to be a war profiteer or had an intense epiphany since from what I can tell he spent all pretty much literally all his money saving those people.

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I've been trying to figure out if anyone in history has done anything more for humanity, in defiance of authority and without using violence.

MLK? I think I remember reading some 'expose' or something about how he might not have been a perfect husband, but nothing that really crossed the "Yeah! How dare he be human! Myah!"-line that would invalidate all he did.

Cue Smarty with some factoid about he was actually working to eradicate the Inuits or somesuch.

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Originally Posted by Invisible Queen (Post 1130093)

(While wearing a swastika is a bonus, but not a requirement.)

IIRC there was actually a member of the Nazi Party who was in China with the Japanese during the Rape of Nanking who prevented the rape/killing of a couple of hundred Chinese.

Don't recall the guy's name though.

Only prevented the rape and killing of a few hundred Chinese?! If that guy had put his brains to it he could have assassinated Hitler or Tojo, what a putz!

What Wikipedia article was that anyway, Si Civa? Might as well edit that comment out since it sounds unsubstantiated...

I might just go to the Oskar Schindler page and talk about how he was the inspiration for Batman, though (how do you know he wasn't? Kane and Finger coulda been making a deep commentary on Schindler's life when they were making those comics about a man dressed as a bat fighting a clown).

Oh right, it's from Sweden's own article and has footnote for that part even though I tend to think that what you said about some people are being hypocrites about the issue is true. (oh and the footnote is the same, should have put it there too :/ )

The footnote's source is from Nordstrom who may be Swedish historian which may or may not be good thing because people can be really biased on their own country's history.

Edit:// I also find it amusing that I was thinking that if there's country that could be cool and shit it would be Sweden and I just checked their wikipedia article and because WW II is what it's I scrolled on that part and I guess I was little disappointed with that last part too hastily (even though my comment under is little bit joke). But modern Sweden is quite awesome in my books. Should read more about them though, and be disappointed again. :|

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Originally Posted by Lumenskir (Post 1130341)

Martin Luther flourinated all our water!

Nah I got nothing. Yeah there is rumours he cheated on his wife (and his wife cheated on him) but I couldn't give less of a shit about that.

He even avoided the common trap of racial activists which is advocating for racial based benefits to curb economic gaps (which tend to end up in the hands of the wealthy members of the minority who don't need them) by saying that that the concessions he wanted from the government should go to the poor of all races. Bulletproof!