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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants (Post 1130847)

No he isn't. It's never expressely stated what Tom is but he defineatly not Maia who are all named at same point. He appears to be the spirit of the earth or some such, possibly the big high god or some such.
Mostly he just a motherfucker though.
Also doesn't covet the ring.
Possibly the only character who isn't Sauron.

Yes, he is a Maiar. What do you suppose a "spirit of the earth" would be if not a Maiar? He's not one of the Valar, because they're all accounted for and and none of them live in Middle Earth. Orome and Yavanna are probably the only 2 who ever occasionally wander the world, and neither of them are Bombadil. Gandalf even described him as the oldest of the old, which implies he's a Maiar. He even shares some of the same powers as another Maiar, that one who married one of the first elven kings (can't find my copy of Silmarillion now though so I can't remember her name), what with the whole protection of the forest deal and knowing instantly when someone enters his domain thing that she had.

Further, he lives with Goldberry, the River Daughter, implied to be a litteral daughter of Ulmo, god of the seas. I find the idea of 2 Maiar living together more likely than 1 Maiar and one... strange immortal dude who apparantly has no origin and is totally NOT a Maiar just because it never implicitly states so in the book.

Also it outright states he is in the Tolkien encyclopedia, which I would presume knows what it's talking about and has verified sources to go along with it.

From WIki:

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Tom Bombadil's origins in the cosmology of Middle-earth were left vague by Tolkien. He calls himself the "Eldest" and the "Master". He claims to remember "the first raindrop and the first acorn", and "knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless � before the Dark Lord came from Outside." He does not neatly fit into the categories of beings Tolkien created. Speculative ideas about his true nature range from one of the Ainur, angelic beings (who came after the dark lord and shaped the earth), to God, who is called Eru Il�vatar and "the One" in Tolkien's legendarium. This is reinforced when Frodo asks Goldberry just who Tom Bombadil is, and she responds by simply saying "He is" (much like the biblical statement about Yahweh, "I Am that I Am").[2]

At the Council of Elrond, Galdor suggests that Bombadil would be unable to withstand a siege by Sauron "unless such power is in the earth itself", implying that the character may be a manifestation of Middle-earth's inherent properties. This connection explains Bombadil's seeming obliviousness to the transient concerns of mortals, as evidenced in Gandalf's concern that Tom would not understand the importance of the Ring and would lose it if entrusted with it. The idea that Tom's songs are always "stronger", as he proclaims in his rhyme, as well as his title of Master, further suggest Bombadil is the warden or avatar of the nearly invincible aspects of the planet itself.[original research?]

In reference to Bombadil, Tolkien himself said that some things should remain mysterious in any narrative, hidden even to its inventor.

Also there is fairly extensive lists of the Maiar who come to Earth, Tom ain't mentioned at all.
And he's not affected by the Ring and doesn't give a shit. All other Maia we see are affected by the power of the Ring despite them all being super powerful. Also all other Maia want to stop Sauron, that why they came to the Earth and left pleasureisland. Tom doesn't give a shit.

Also he knows he is in a book! That's not a Maiar power.

Tom is a being that has the technical description of "Badass" and that is all we ever need to know.

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Originally Posted by Marc v1.0 (Post 1130901)

Tom is ~~a being that has the technical description of "Badass"~~ overpowered and that is all we ever need to know.

Fixed. Also, needs a nerf.

You just think that cause you don't know how to counter him you stupid noob. His strength actually varies with the health of the battlefield you fight on. If you use Frieza's planet buster while he is singing he will lose all power.

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He calls himself the "Eldest" and the "Master"

so....

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Just another incarnation then?

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Originally Posted by Melfice (Post 1130867)

Seriously?
Tolkien named the guy who can change into a bear "Beorn"?

Admittedly, I'm not that big of a Tolkien nut, but I thought he was more creative than that. =/

Well, it's important to keep in mind that Tolkien was writing the Hobbit for his kids, and only included a shape-shifting Bear/Man in there because they were totally obsessed with bears at the time and insisted on them being in the story (and, in fact, most of his children's stories include bears). So it makes a certain amount sense that the name would be simplistic.

Interestingly enough though, in the original manuscript for the Hobbit, Beorn is called Medwed.

Yes, but the real kicker is, Beorn is the Old English form of the Scandinavian name Bj�rn or Bj�rn.

Which means... you guessed it, "bear".

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Originally Posted by Melfice (Post 1130912)

Yes, but the real kicker is, Beorn is the Old English form of the Scandinavian name Bj�rn or Bj�rn.

Which means... you guessed it, "bear".

A neverending cycle of BEARS

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Originally Posted by Dracorion (Post 1130853)

No, see, they're smart talking eagles.

Yes, but still eagles. The Hobbit mentions that the group Bilbo and Co. meet can't just fly them into Rivertown because the eagles have a bad habit of jacking the farmer's livestock and that the farmers would shoot the crap out of them if they got close. Even if they can speak, they're still very much like animals in their instincts and behavior.

There's also the pride thing mentioned as well; they can't bring themselves to care about the other races unless it's under very special circumstances. For the main trilogy, you're asking these things to run what could possibly be a suicide run into the heart of ultimate evil infested with orcs, giant bat things, and A FREAKING ACTIVE VOLCANO, all with the possibility that the guy you're carrying could suddenly give in to the artifact he's trying to destroy and stab you in the back. Personally, I think the eagles would be quite sensible in saying no.