I hate myself for saying this but this might be a bigger fuck up than "One More Day" and that was enough to make me stop reading Spider-Man titles that weren't Ultimate Spider-Man.

I just don't get it. DC had seeminlgy brought back the Silver Age. Heroes were being heroes and everything was fantastic. Why do this?

Because Geoff Jones needs to get his tongue out of the massive festering anus that is silver-age nostalgia. Jordan coming back and invalidating everything Kyle did isn't "fantastic." Barry Allen coming back and completely relegating Wally West to the sidelines is even worse. The only series with anything resembling decent writing in years has been Morrison's run on Batman, and while I'll be sad to see that go, all in all, this is a move for the best.

DC thread to be rebooted. Those bastards!

wait what

Did DC just pull a Crisis on the thread?

In the new "Fuck DC" thread, POS still isn't a mod, Token's been permabanned, and Nique is actually a Nazi spy working for Lex Luthor's grandfather.

Would you believe that the irony of the situation hurts me a lot more than any punch ever would?

Oh, I swear to primus, if I get brought back as a Black Lantern in a few years I will kill the fuck out of whoever wrote this plotline.

:ohdear:

Fuck mods. I'mma be Sinestro Corps.

...Oh man they're gonna reboot the Sinestro Corps out of existence, aren't they? :(

FEAR.

Another perfect jumping-off point for soon-to-be-former readers.

Great job DC!

If you think all of this isn't going to be "more silver-agey than ever (plus rape/gore)" you're kidding yourself IMO.

I'm guessing Johns takes the opportunity to kill off a few more minority characters / retcondivorce Lois & Clark.

EDIT: I love that this post is here in the middle of the thread BUT still shows up in forum view as the most recent.

Yeah, it almost definitely will be, but I'm trying to be a little optimistic. about this

was this an accident because if it was it is the best accident to ever happen since fifthfiend

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/05/...-he-was-on-it/

l o l

It's heartbreaking that this is just slightly too long to be my new user title.

Hey Brian Clevinger congratulations on Firestorm, also, sorry to hear about Firestorm
 

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/05/...-he-was-on-it/

ha ha ha ha what

split off from the general "fuck DC" thread because seriously lolwut

Clevinger hired and immediately fired for not being Geoff Johns or Grant Morrison, film at 11.

But... but I like Firestorm. This could have been brilliant.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/05/...-wonder-woman/

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahhhahhahahhahaha

edit: I can't wait for my posts to catch up wiht the original timestamps for this thread and start being randomly interspersed among them.

Everything hurts. Nothing is beautiful.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm2navrH6d1qafrh6.gif

I'm going to write DC a thank-you note for finally making it possible for me to never give a shit about anything they do ever again.

Fuck DC
 

Those bastards are rebooting everything. Every. Single. Thing.

Link.

Seriously, what the fuck are these people thinking? DC comics have been getting better and better over the decade and I was really excited to see where they were gonna go but now they're copping out. The experiment in great storytelling is fucking over.

And no more Dick Grayson as Batman. That was the most interesting and exciting thing that DC has done in a long time and now it's all over.

I'm going back over to Marvel.

Hoo hoo this thread should be good. Be sure to talk about Frank Miller at some point!

Where they will be doing the exact same thing within 6 months?

... I can't tell if this is serious or damn near trolling...

When Marvel fucks up they find a way to "fix" it without throwing away all the continuity. "One More Day" for example. They screwed up on that but it didn't mean throwing everything away.

So, what they promised and should have actually done post-Crisis?

they all reboot, all the time, period. If not nearly every single one of them would be dead from old age, and it would probably still be 1970

Obviously serious. How can you not believe they aren't going to do the exact same thing as well later?

Well, at least they'll be able to get rid of a little bathwater while throwing out all those babies.

If anything, BND is an even bigger fuckup than OMD.
 

OH GOD. I was pissed about the DC thing, but damn. You reminded me of OMD. Thanks for the perspective.


But seriously though.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfko7gsfWH1qafrh6.jpg

may not be as funny in its intended form
 

now THATS perspective

Uh... DC... why don't you kill these fucking superhero fossils off already?

As long as you let Grant Morrison write for you everything that ever happened will be canon anyway, even if it doesn't make any sense. Because at least I won't have to guess what happened in the past now and what not. It's fine when Morrison does it, though. Because for some reason he can write really really good.

Aside from whatever the hell Morrison does a reboot is much better than letting that mess that is the DC Universe as it is live on. Who knows? Maybe I'll even pick up one of those books. I'd much rather see DC give up it's random superheroes and the fucking DCU completely, though and focus on, dunno... new original stuff? How about that? More writer owned stuff? Or at least stuff where they get full creative control. I'd be all for that.

Hey wait a moment, you mean they're just going "Hey guys, we're doing a reset" instead of inventing some stupid crossover plot tangle whatsit that is going to CHANGE THINGS FOREVER which really involves halfassedly changing a few things back to the way they were and making whatever passes for continuity in comics even more inbred?

And this is a bad thing?

EDIT: Oh wait, so it is some big event whatsit? Kinda jeopardises chances of a clean reboot by doing that. Eh, it's not like I really read comics anyway.

I echo the concerns of Red Tahoma. Did some funky time travelling posts get spliced around?

Didn't Marvel claim they were doing this with the Ultimate line of comics? Not producing anything but Ultimate, until they switched back to the older series?

Or am I just getting my memories wrong again?

As for DC, I figure they'll make the change & find out nobody likes them anymore. Then change most of the stuff back. Maybe.

Not that it matters to me. I like some of the stories that come from the comics originally, but I'm not an avid reader, so every time I pick up a single issue of anything, I'm utterly lost.

So as long as cartoons & movies are uneffected, I don't think I care much.

As someone who hasn never intensively read DC's or any other company's long standing series but maybe like to, I see some potential in this. Maybe now I'll be able to get into some comic series without having to instantly feel like I need to familiriaze myself with a vast universe and it's lore.

Hahahahahaha no you totally still will. It's a "soft reboot" so they're totally keeping random bits and pieces of the various characters' legacies and backstories while getting rid of randomly selected other things and alternately grafting on entirely new bits of backstory that nobody will know anything about because they'll just have been invented.

It's the kind of super-sharp sure-fire comic book company business move where you leave all the current readers adrift and not knowing what's going on, while at the same time ensuring that new readers can't make any more sense of anything than they ever have.

This is more or less exactly what they're doing.

Like the last time DC decided to do one of these Big Jumping On Points for Nu Reedurz, you pretty much got stuff like... Robin, aka Tim Drake, finding out that Batgirl, aka Cassandra Cain, had started hunting down and murdering her sisters as part of her revenge plot against her dad, and had also become obsessed with fucking the shit out of Robin and convincing him to join her craaaaaaazy evil scheme. While Dick Grayson, Nightwing, became a serial killer, who turned out to be Jason Todd, Nightwing, who Dick Grayson, Nightwing punched until he, Jason Todd, turned out to actually be a huge purple pile of ooze.

Depending how much you know/care about any of these characters, that all makes you so furiously mad you can barely see straight, and/or makes no earthly sense to you whatsoever.

Congratulations, you've just experienced a Jumping On Point for New Readers. Now go buy Atomic Robo or something that won't pull this kind of shit on you.

Other than maybe the stuff they contract out to Brian. I hear he's pretty good.
 

It is, because IDEALLY they wouldn't do either, because both are stupid as hell. And they would instead write a continuing story about these characters until they die of old age or in battle, at which point they would stay dead, and the mantle would be passed on to newer characters who may or may not take up the old character's persona.

Not that it'll ever happen, and it's blind wishful thinking to believe, or expect, otherwise.

However, as Fifth said, this is a soft reboot anyway, so it's not even the lesser of the two possible evils. And you should just not read either Marvel or DC at all, because of this kind of stupidity.

I truly wish I could see one character in DC or Marvel stay dead.

Robin doesn't count because they got a new one.

It's also a reason I like to stay with manga over American comics. Once a series is done, that's it.

well for all the fanboy complaints I think deep down this kind of thing is exactly what they want. I mean if they didn't want this tangled nightmare of a continuity then American comic industry would have died a long time ago. This is reinforced by how these more convoluted series are the ones that tend to sell the best

The only comic, Marvel or DC, that I read at all is Deadpool, so I'm pretty much unaffected. However, if this means I can ignore the shit that has transpired beforehand, then maybe I'll start reading Batman or something.

Honestly, if you want to read comics, just read independent stories, one-shots and mini/maxiseries. No monthlies or big events(Well, except maybe Cosmic Marvel) that try to pretend they have a continuity and destroying it at the same time.

Also, Vertigo.

In that case: Fuck DC.

And now we've gone full circle.

I read some comics once. Some blue guy punched some red guys. It was pretty funny. They should just do that more.

Also because none of them have stayed dead, either. Jason Todd is now a shitty supervillain as the Red Hood and Stephanie Brown is Batgirl.

And Dick Grayson was Batman! And it was awesome. That's the jumping off point that got me back into Batman comics. It gave me a new place to start off at without having to dump all continuity. I only ever read Morrison's run on Batman because I was so interested in seeing what he had done with the characters prior to "Batman & Robin."

So that's how I look at jumping off points, do something that introduces new aspects without throwing all the old ones away.

That's what's got me most pissed off about this. Dickbat and Damian, against all odds, have been a joy to read. Tim's run as Red Robin has been pretty great, and I'll even admit I've enjoyed Batsteph quite a bit.

But nope, probably about to get stuck with the old Bruce-Dick-Babs trifecta and it's a damn shame...

Babs is Batgirl, and Dick is Nightwing. I couldn't care less about Cass or Steph, mostly because I haven't read most of their shit, but I'll miss Damian and Tim.

I am so excited for Cass to be raptured up into Retcon Heaven, you have no idea.

Oh dear baby Jesus Superman please, please let this mean nobody at DC writes a story about her in anything, ever again.

At the same time I'm pretty sad about Damien not existing anymore because of this event, because it means I'll never get to see him stop existing anymore due to being thrown off a cliff and then repeatedly run over with a truck.

OH WELL

Damnit, Steph's the only character I buy comics for these days. She damn well better make it through this ok. (SPOILER: She wont.)

Goddammit, I got into comics one year too early, I just spent like a hundred bucks getting into this shit. Luckily it was mostly Batman, Inc. which seems enjoyable on any level...I hear that is the only one that is going to get finished so I guess I chose the right "batcomic" to get into.

I've also been getting the new Batman Beyond, are they going to leave that one alone, because it just started this year...besides it's set in the future or whatever, it has nothing to do with the current shit...unless they retcon Hush out of existence or something I'd say it's not a big deal at this point. So hopefully they leave it alone.

Apparently Morrison's Batman work won't all be undone.

Link.

Not gonna lie, that's a major relief to me. I'm still pissed that Dick won't get to be Batman anymore but maybe he'll get the title back someday soon. But here's something else that's driving me up the wall: Barbara Gordon is back as Batgirl. Not only are they taking her out of the wheelchair but they're also taking Stephanie Brown out of the costume.

DC, why can't you just let your characters grow? Dick made real progress and for the first time ever Stephanie Brown wasn't annoying as all hell.

Personally, I'm fine with re-using the same characters forever-and-ever amen, just as long as they used within stories that end. (Elseworlds and One-Shots like 'Birthright', for instance). Even an ongoing complex continuity that lasts for a decade or two is fine, I just don't want them to try and retain previous continuities by crazy 'crisis-themed' specials.

I don't see a model like the one you're describing working out very well for anybody - I mean, you really want your superheores to age in real-time and then have them invent new, (potentially sucky) super heroes to replace them when they are too old? On the other hand, it sort of works for Doctor Who I guess.

I'm more in support of seeing sidekicks or some other person take over the mantle. It works for plenty of other superheroes and Dick Grayson proved that it could work for a major one.

As far as I know Batman Inc. was supposed to be the last of the five part Batman saga Morrison wanted to do. Morrison is one of the few reasons (for me) to read comics, so it would be a stupid bitch move if they didn't let him finish his story.

I never really was into main continuity superhero stories, in fact it was a particular one that got me out of comics way back. I only gave Batman a chance because Morrison wrote it, and while they aren't really the same kind of Holy Shit as his own stuff, they are still enjoyable on 9 out of 10 levels.

Of course, I actually have no idea which of Morrison's Batman books actually belong to the five-parter that keeps getting mentioned, I only know R.I.P. and Batman & Robin, (which happen to be the two I read/started) belong to it, to be honest, because he wrote so fucking much.

Are you talking shit about Spider-Girl because I will literally reach through the internet and slap you

If Spider-Girl is basically the same thing as Batman Beyond then... No. Becuase have you read the new Batman Beyond? It's pretty good.

balljacking
 

She's like Batman Beyond minus all the things that were lame about Batman Beyond

...and also minus the scifi-style future which admittedly was cool.

On a second thought, I'm willing to give some of this a chance if it means bringing the Superbuddies back. At least Ted Kord.

Better to try out a few new sucky characters than trying out a few sucky character phases and a few new sucky characters who can't stick around even if they hadn't been sucky anyway because the focus is on worn out icons.

It's not like both major companies haven't introduced loads of compelling and commercially viable new characters they just inevitably get fucked over either because the established names crowd out the market OR because some manchild asshole decides that the only REAL flash is the one that died when he was ten.

The (American) Superhero comic book industry seems like the model of an entertainment industry catering to the peoples fears of everything that is different and new.

Wasn't Morrison the one that brought back Barry Allen?

I actually have a really hard time understanding why the regular series of comics are popular. The reason I liked Batman Inc. is it didn't seem to take anything particularly seriously and yet maintained a certain level of menace...insofar as Lord Death Man driving his stolen sportscar through a family's dining room and machine gunning them all to death was menacing.

And Batman Beyond actually allows them to be fairly creative since they aren't constrained by any of the 900 some issues of Batman history, only the TV series (which was mostly one-off episodes, so they can do pretty much anything they want).

Here's all of the solicitations for the relaunched titles.

I'm really confused. Some titles appear to be going on like nothing ever happened while others appear to be starting over from scratch. Some of these titles tend to share characters so starting over one and keeping another the same creates a shitload of continuity problems that are going to be a fucking nightmare to sift through.

I'll probably only bother to check out the Superman and Batman titles along with the Justice League ones (John Constantine is in one! but that's a continuity fuck-up too), Aquaman, Flash, and All-Star Western.

Yeah, it sucks.

Basically, I was given Firestorm on a silver platter. But then it went from "Brian's Firestorm Project That'll Spin Out Of Blackest Night / Brightest Day" to "TOTAL DCU REBOOOOOOOOOOT"

So, everything I'd done was instantly obsolete. It's a shame. What I had cooked up was pretty goddamn swank. But, eh, that's the biz.

I'm curious, what do you think about the reboot as a professional writer? Do you think it's a legitimate chance at reinvigorating the DCU or is it pretty much just a stunt?

Looks like Jaime is still the Blue Beetle.

This doesn't necessarily mean Ted Kord is still dead, but I'm leaning toward that.

And I don't see Booster Gold there, except in Justice League International.

Okay, can someone explain to me what the fuck Tim Drake is wearing?

We'll get to Connor Kent in a minute here but seriously what the fuck is Tim wearing?!

He's wearing The Falcon's costume. He is wearing a Marvel character's costume.

what the hell...

don't worry Brian, it's their loss. Even if you don't have a massive library of titles to your name (yet) we all know you already proven that you can hold a storyline together way better than those clowns at DC have been able to do for the last couple of years.

Also, i hope someone over there notices you soon enough to bring you to work on Batman Inc. I would certainly love to see your vision of a "Batman-like" hero in action.

I liked him better in Doctor Mid-Nite's costume. At least then he was ripping off a character in his own universe.

Damn man that sucks but hey, you got in the door of another major company. That alone is an accomplishment itself.

Pretty sure it would be unwise of Brian to say if he thought it was a terrible idea on a public forum, considering DC is still a potential employer in the future.