Okay so its still the drift racing beauty only now with added carnage then.

I can live with that I guess.

I doubt soon is the right word to use, especially for MS. I know Sony talked about pushing the PS4 out early, but I think that might be akin to suicide if they go ahead at this point. Customer satisfaction and trust aren't exactly at their highest, and that is going to linger a bit.

I doubt MS is going to make a move without knowing they need to keep up with Sony.

Really, as far as graphics and technology are concerned, we're already close to as good as it is going to get for home consoles at the prices we have. If they are smart, they can keep riding on the current gen by keeping up hardware and software without changing the formats. Unless MS switches to Blu-Ray or discovers a comparable alternative their tech will catch up to Sony eventually through upgrades, because Sony can only push so far ahead of of the curb. It affords you a head start, but then you have to wait for the curb to get a fair bit ahead of you again before you can make another significant push.

Damn you Cryptic.

Like, okay. I'm kind of excited for this, just a little. I know I shouldn't be, at all. I know it's going to let me down, somehow. Champions Online was a disappointment, and Star Trek Online was awful too. I heard STO got a little easier to stomach after some patching, but still! Impressions matter.

My impression of Cryptic games is that they're decent character creation tools packaged with mediocre games. Not to mention they're god damn MMOs, which is the stale sandwich of the gaming industry.

But damn it! The Foundry? Build your own adventures for your friends? Fuck! That might be good!

My impression after the Microsoft press conference is that Kinect is a fantastic piece of technology with tons of possible applications that is spectacularly unfit for being used as a video game interface. Also holy shit so many shooters that all look the same :wtf:

My impression after the Nintendo conference is that the WiiU (I repeat: :wtf:) controller is a pretty neat piece of technology with quite a few possible applications, most of them in gaming, but let's not kid ourselves, every third party developer will put menus and inventory screens on it and consider the job done.

e: Arkham City's coming out for the WiiU, right? Here's how you instantly make that the must-get version: detective mode through the controller screen.

I'm cool with the UPanel being Used for inventories and sUch. Even if it woUld have the DS-esqUe feeling of wasted potential, in the end it's still making things more convinient by removing extra fiddly bits of HUD from the main screen.

And yes, detective mode throUgh the UPanel would be great. I'd go as far as to say that jUst about any game where you have an alternative viewing mode shoUld do something like that.

Like any Metroid Prime sUccessor, for example.

It's...Glorious...
 

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4549162/imagesCAXSJA37.jpg

From what I've heard they're already doing something to the detective mode that will make it so you can't or wont want to use it ALL the time. Which was it's main problem in my opinion.

So, NonCon, how's Kirby's Mass Effect Attack? I know you probably don't want to be near Kirby Wii: Kirby Super Star: Kirby Super Star HARDER, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the DS game.

I don't remember where I read it, but apperently one of the mini games they're making is gonna be 5 players on the same console. It'll be alot like pac-man, where you'll have one player be the "pac-man" and he'll use the new controller. He'll get that nice screen on the controller, complete with a map of the maze he's running around in that displays where the other 4 people are. He'll have to Try to avoid the other 4 players who will be splitting the TV and using the current Wii-motes.

So, nintendo's definetly going to try to showcase the variability of the new controller and ways developers can use it so its not just used as a menu area. But then, we'll see how developers take hold of it.

Apparently the system will be sold with a new controller, and the controllers won't be sold separately.

I.E. The system supports one new controller at a time. Looks like multiplyer will be mainly with standard Wiimote setups, with the exception of 5-player alternate perspective stuff, like they've shown at E3.

Today I checked out:

Catherine
Sonic Generations (New Sonic)
Rayman Origins
Neverdead
Skyrim
Rage
Prey 2
El Shaddai
Probably something I've forgotten

No real specific questions on Skyrim other than "how was it?" and "is it worth my money?"

How's rayman origins? Is it an actual fucking platformer now? Cause I am about sick of those raving rabbits mini games.

In Neverdead, what's the button for "RIP OFF OWN HEAD!?"

Edit: Wait wait wait, real question now. I just watched some dude playing Dark Souls. Where was the magic bar? Is there no MP in this game?

Are there any big name titles for the regular DS and/or DSi?

Think he already answered that.

Catherine's great. It really sticks with the Law/Chaos thing with its morality choices, and you may be surprised by which answers fit with which alignments if you let yourself slide into Good/Bad mentality for alignments.

Quote:

As for Skyrim, I wonder if you think it's the kind of RPG experience I'd enjoy. I've never played the Elder Scrolls series before. Past installments have not interested me. But Skyrim looks gorgeous.

Skyrim is all about them building a really immersive, living world. Townspeople have jobs now, and you can work jobs as well. Each town has a local economy, and you can actually influence that economy, like by sabotaging the lumber mill.

Another cool element was the character picked a fight with a giant and some mammoths. Partway through the fight a dragon swooped down, carried the giant into the air, and dropped it to its death. Then the dragon started fighting the player.

From what I saw, they fixed the presentation, which was Oblivion's biggest failing. Leveling seems the same, but as you level you can pick cool perks from constellation trees. You can also select focuses at statues so that certain types of skills will level faster than others, but you can only have one focus at a time. Like, you can focus on warrior skills OR mage skills OR thief skills. That sort of thing.

If a really well developed world is something that would draw you into a game, it's worth checking out.

Rayman Origins is very fun and great visually. It is a platformer.

You've mentioned looks a few times now here, and I have to wonder if you apply any other basis to a game before you consider it, or it looking pretty is that important.

...Yes, because having read all other posts I've made about other videogames everywhere it's clear that I care only and exclusively for graphics.
What the hell's up with that comment anyway? It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. It's just a potshot intended to...what exactly? Attack my credibility? Aggravate me? Make me feel stupid for daring to be impressed with Skyrim's graphics?

If it's a 'legitimate' question, there are far better ways to word it that don't insinuate a broad attack on my character or my judgment. Hell, ask me whether I'm just impressed with Skyrim's graphics or whether I'm equally intrigued by its gameplay mechanics or the Norse influence in its storyline or the dragon battles or some shit. Or for fuck's sake, take a look at my posting history or consider what I mentioned about other E3 games in this topic before shooting your mouth.
...And if it's just your attempt at 'subtle' trolling, try not to be so brazenly obvious at it.

PS Vita is gonna be region free omg omg omg omg omg omg omg

Damn Snake. As critical remarks go that's a pretty harmless one to get set off by like that.

Don't accuse people of trolling, either. Report and ignore. Replying to a genuine troll post is just about the least productive way to handle it.



on topic: Assassin's Creed for WiiU is set to use the controller screen for maps and inventory and eagle vision. So that's good! This might end up the default use for any game that features an alternative view mode, and I have no objections.

Really can't wait for those terms to go out of style...
 

I've just noticed a few mentions of graphical details, presented in a context that they carried a fair degree of weight. On top of throwing around terms like "Hardcore" and "Casual", I am a bit curious as to what really makes it or breaks it, really, for you. The Skyrim thing seemed to be a bit weird to me, it stood out as Morrowind and Oblivion are fantastic games(Morrowind generally is considered better but I had more immediate fun with Oblivion) and the way it was said made it seem like you hadn't considered them for play because of their looks.

I could have been much more elaborate to begin with, but it was 4:25am and I had been up for a total of 15 minutes. Still, just cause you don't like the wording doesn't mean I'm trying to troll you or attack you. Jesus.

It wasn't the graphics that bothered me with Morrowind or Oblivion, it was their storylines, or more appropriately their lack of what I interpreted to be a cohesive narrative framework.

You could say that I think Skyrim looks so gorgeous graphically that I'm suddenly curious as to whether Elder Scrolls has overcome its narrative faults, because if it had and if NPCs acted more like living breathing entities and there was an overarching plot I'd be quite excited for the title.

I know that NonCon knows I'm really into stories and character development and well-fleshed personalities in my videogames because we IM each other about our videogame preferences all the time, and it's a preference I've also articulated frequently in other NPF topics. So I (correctly) surmised that I didn't really need to go into thorough detail regarding my perspective in order for NonCon to understand what I was asking him, and he basically told me exactly what I wanted to know.

I'm just not sure how you'd interpret my perspective on a single game as representative of my viewpoints of an entire medium, and then feel it was appropriate to insinuate I only cared about graphics in all videogames, when even a cursory search would disavow you of that perspective. It was unnecessarily antagonistic wording at best.

How long you've been awake has absolutely no bearing on anything.

This whole situation is just akin to the following hypothetical:
I say: "The new series of Atomic Robo comics looks amazing, they're so well-drawn."
And then you respond with: "You've been talking up the artwork in graphic comics so much, you must be illiterate and incapable of appreciating classical novels."

And I maintain that it's just plain wrong, regardless of your intent, to transform an offhand comment of praise for a product into a stinging criticism of a person. NPF accepts subtle shifts into ad hominem territory far too often, and generally speaking, it just shouldn't happen much at all.

Morrowind has an amazing over-reaching story that was much better then many games I've played since.

...Oblivion was pretty.

It has a very clear and direct bearing on if I am currently awake enough to express my point properly

Ya know, you are an OK guy and everything, but this hard-on you have for being the victim that no one likes is actually making me not like you.

Anyone should be held responsible for the content of their posts regardless of how tired or alert they are.
No one would say that I was immune from being reprimanded if I insulted folks when I was 'drunk' or 'depressed' or 'tired.'


Oh hey, look, more personalized ad hominem crap.
Your comment would seem to make it even less believable that you didn't intend to upset me in the first place, wouldn't it? Because apparently you believed from the start that I had a 'hard-on for being the victim' but then deliberately chose an antagonistic ad hominem way to criticize my praise of Skyrim anyway.

Yes, everyone should be held accountable for trolling or being a dick on purpose or any other infraction of the rules.

I wasn't. My post were poorly worded because I was just waking up. I shouldn't be held responsible because YOU decided that I was trolling and then also decided to throw out my explaination that "No, I was barely awake and wasn't as clear as I wanted to be" because you are just convinced I was being a dick.

It really isn't ad hominem If you have demonstrated a tendancy to add words to peoples posts or claim personal attacks that didn't happen.

However, it DOES color my interactions with you. I try to avoid being critical of you at all because I don't want to get dragged in to shit like this, and in my sleepy haze I completely forgot that. I'm sorry, I won't make that mistake again.

Read my initial response again. I didn't 'decide you were trolling.' I delineated that you trolling me was a possible explanation for your actions, but I articulated the possibility that you simply chose exceptionally poor wording as well. And more importantly, I explained the issues I had with your 'poorly worded' post, which are equally relevant articulations regardless of whether you merely worded your thoughts poorly or you had something more sinister in mind.

If everyone here thinks so poorly of me that any objection I make to an offensive or unnecessarily hostile criticism made is automatically and inherently countered by the 'presumed tendency' of my personality type, then that's really a sign that I should leave this community because I've lost every case and controversy before they've even begun.

It's also a circular argument, a self-fulfilling prophecy: The more I react to criticism the more you dislike me, the more you dislike me the more you insult and criticize me, the more you criticize me the more I react to the criticism.

But that's beside the point. What bothers me is that I can't even praise a videogame here at NPF without being personally attacked for it, and you think that's an unreasonable concern? You can't really say that this is all just a byproduct of my thin skin when I've been a member of a several online communities and never run into knee-jerk personal critiques that severe.

You weren't personally attacked for praising a game! It was a question of pure curiosity. You took it as a personal attack and you kept taking at a personal attack even when I have said it wasn't meant to be at all.

Snake I'd like to see you make an active effort to not treat every bit of criticism directed at you as a deathly insult towards your person that is specifically engineered to drive you off the forum forever. Because that is what you do, intentionally or not, and you regularly absolutely refuse to let go of that idea once you've got it in your head no matter what anyone says. Mostly because whenever someone tries to explain that to you you also treat it as a personal attack. Whether it's someone mentioning "your walls of pink text" and you spinning that into "'horrible pink walls of text' that you hate so much because you apparently think I'm Satan incarnate," or whether it's Marc asking a very slightly critical question that you treat as if he'd called you illiterate, it happens a lot.

Back to E3 news and discussion now, let's take any further input on this to PMs.

I'm excited for Skyward Sword to say the least (then again, I'm always excited for a new Zelda game), although I wasn't really impressed with the WiiU. The controller seems a bit off-putting, although maybe with time one could get used to it (and I'm curious to how exactly they can implement it for futur games). Basically, the WiiU is one big Nintendo DS. The possibility of playing 5 players is kinda cool though.

One thing though is that I find Sony could possibly do something similar to the WiiU by using the Vita as an actual controller for the PS3 or any futur console they decide to make (although I have no clue if that would be anytime soon) and if they do, Nintendo might be in a little trouble. I'm also excited for Skyrim, although I'm probably not going to play it since I'm terrible at FPS games in general (unless the 3rd person is easier to control, then I'll definately try it). I'll watch my boyfriend play it though^^

I'll probably be getting a 3DS sometime in the future, since right now money is extremely scarce and I need it for food :/. Ocarina of time, Starfox64 and Paper Mario are probably going to be my top buys.

5 bucks says that at next years E3 conference nintendo announces that the WiiU also does 3D for those fancy 3D tvs (of course his is optional for games).

I really think Nintendo is trolling Microsoft and Sony while living off the fresh lifeblood of the non-gamer market.

Could I get some links to the more exciting/entertaining parts of Nintendo's conference?

Right now my gaming goes between my Wii, DS and PC.
 

This, with emphasis on "future"

Just add Link's Awakening and that free Four Swords game to the list ^_^.

The PSVita has nice hardware but, I've never bought a console just for it's hardware, I buy it because it has games I know I'll like. Then again, if the PSVita gets anything that interests me, and I have some extra money, I could get one.

Also, NonCon, you said that the Vita would be region free, IIRC, the Vita will get it's games like the Go did, i.e. via downloads. How would region free impact it? How do you think it would work?

I get to see stuff for the next Hitman game. Trying to get to E3 early to check out ME3. Also gonna try and check out Dead Island and Silent Hill Downpour. Today is my actual appointment for FFXIII-2, so I may be in a situation where I can ask questions about it, so if you guys have any not-rude questions you think I should ask, let me know. Same for Hitman.

I'll try to check out some Nintendo and PS Vita stuff, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to. Nintendo is the king of long lines, and that's time I could spend checking out other stuff. I can't figure out where Sony keeps their PS Vitas, and I wonder if it might be something I'd need an appointment to check out.

I forgot to mention I checked out No More Heroes: Heroes Paradise yesterday with Playstation Move controls. I think the Playstation Move controls are actually less responsive than the Wii remote ones, but you can also play with a regular controller, so cool.

Also forgot to mention I checked out Ninja Gaiden 3 which is disappointing if you go in expecting something that has the same strengths Ninja Gaiden and Ninja Gaiden 2 had, which I did.

I'm not sure if I could find a clip of Reggie saying "deeper and wider." That was the only entertaining part.

Actually, IIRC it uses cartridges.

Limiting content via payment methods and other checks.
It's already done on the PS3.

I can't get paid content from the PSN since I don't have an American credit card (circumventable, of course), and if I do get that content, I need an American game disc.

For Vita:
Can't get paid content from PSN since you don't have the proper credit card.
Content bought from the US store would only work on US handhelds, EU store on EU handhelds.

It's certainly possible.

EDIT: Wait. Shit. I completely misinterpreted that post, didn't I?

Argh!

Pretty much this. I thought the new Wii U controller looked terrible to use.

So is the PSVita going to have access to the same PSOne list as the PS3 does from PSN? Cause uh...portable Legend of Mana might be the biggest deal-maker for me.

The Wii U controller would be really neat and exciting if every player could use one, and I look forward to Nintendo announcing that I'm wrong about that not being the case. I mean, it isn't an issue of processing power; we've been scaling down multiplayer graphics since the Super Nintendo. Maybe it's a channel thing concerning the magic electro-waves that I don't understand.

As for Grimpond's timely reminder, thanks. There are numbers on the spells and everything. I'm dumb. Go here: http://e3.nintendo.com. There's way more info here than during their conference, split into non-continuous chunks (as opposed to a ninety minute presentation) suited for today's man on the go.

Just don't watch the Game Guide stuff. It's just someone saying stuff that's self-evident from the trailers over clips of said trailers. You don't even get to watch her play the game. Just watch the trailers and cut out the middle-man.

That works, thanks.

Cool, no more scratchy discs, and I actually like having my games physically.

The PSVita gets more and more interesting.

Don't worry about misinterpreting my posts, they tend to be chunks of unintelligible text :P. Anyway, what you said was relevant to what I asked ^_^

I suppose the XIII-2 question I want to ask is this: what happened to the other party members of FF XIII?

Besides the obvious "Where the fuck is Sazh?", where's Snow? Does he know Serah is wandering around with a moogle and another guy?

http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/upl...mindtaker1.jpg
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/upl...mindtaker2.jpg

Lightning's style is so delightfully Valkyrie it hurts. She's still uberstrongfuckyou from kicking ass in the last game, and a clip I was shown had her fighting Chaos Bahamut and winning easily.

No clue on these.

I want to beat Vanillaware to death with their own character designs.

"They overdid it" is an understatement.

...is Liefield doing games now?

Also.

WiiiiiiiiiiiU WiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiU WiiiiiiiiiiiiiU!
Only thing I'm interested in!

The console or making that noise?

I don't even know anymore. It started out as column A but now I'm pretty firmly in column B.

Anarchy Reigns is cool. What little I played makes it look like a party brawler. Plus, it has a bunch of MadWorld characters in it, and that's just fucking awesome.

So we can basically sum that up as "FFXIII, but better in every way"?

Pretty much.

Also, I did a thing on Dragon's Dogma.

Also also, there's apparently a Sonic Generations demo up, and I highly recommend you all check it out as I assume it's the demo we had at E3.

I love how the dwarf is like 95% torso