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RobinStarwing 06-27-2011 05:37 PM

Supreme Court Tells Off Anti-Gaming Laws
 
Can't ban violent video sales to kids, court says:
Supreme Court rejects California ban on violent video game sales or rentals to kids under 18



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WASHINGTON (AP) -- States cannot ban the sale or rental of ultraviolent video games to children, the Supreme Court ruled Monday, rejecting such limits as a violation of young people's First Amendment rights and leaving it up to parents and the multibillion-dollar gaming industry to decide what kids can buy.

The high court, on a 7-2 vote, threw out California's 2005 law covering games sold or rented to those under 18, calling it an unconstitutional violation of free-speech rights. Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia, said, "Even where the protection of children is the object, the constitutional limits on governmental action apply."

Scalia, who pointed out the violence in a number of children's fairy tales, said that while states have legitimate power to protect children from harm, "that does not include a free-floating power to restrict the ideas to which children may be exposed."

Justices Stephen Breyer and Clarence Thomas dissented from the decision, with Breyer saying it makes no sense to legally block children's access to pornography yet allow them to buy or rent brutally violent video games.

"What sense does it make to forbid selling to a 13-year-old boy a magazine with an image of a nude woman, while protecting the sale to that 13-year-old of an interactive video game in which he actively, but virtually, binds and gags the woman, then tortures and kills her?" Breyer said.

Video games, said Scalia's majority opinion, fall into the same category as books, plays and movies as entertainment that "communicates ideas -- and even social messages" deserving of First Amendment free-speech protection. And non-obscene speech "cannot be suppressed solely to protect the young from ideas or images that a legislative body thinks unsuitable for them," he said.

This decision follows the court's recent movement on First Amendment cases, with the justices throwing out attempts to ban animal cruelty videos, protests at military funerals and political speech by businesses.

The court will test those limits again next session when it takes up a new case involving government's effort to protect children from what they might see and hear. The justices agreed to review appeals court rulings that threw out Federal Communications Commission rules against the isolated use of expletives as well as fines against broadcasters who showed a woman's nude buttocks on a 2003 episode of ABC's "NYPD Blue."

The decision to hear the FCC case was one of the last the full court made this session. Before leaving on their annual summer break on Monday, the justices also:

-- Voted 5-4 to strike down a provision of a campaign financing system in Arizona that gives extra cash to publicly funded candidates who face privately funded rivals and independent groups.

-- Agreed to hear arguments in the fall or winter on whether police need a warrant before using a global positioning system device to track a suspect's movements.

-- Refused to hear an appeal from former detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq who wanted to sue defense contractors over claims of abuse.

More than 46 million American households have at least one video-game system, with the industry bringing in at least $18 billion in 2010. The industry has set up its own rating system to warn parents which video games are appropriate for which ages, with the rating "M" placed on games that are considered to be especially violent and only for mature adults.

That system is voluntary, however. California's 2005 law would have prohibited anyone under 18 from buying or renting games that give players the option of "killing, maiming, dismembering, or sexually assaulting an image of a human being." Parents would have been able to buy the games for their children, but retailers who sold directly to minors would have faced fines of up to $1,000 for each game sold.

That means that children would have needed an adult to get games like "Postal 2," the first-person shooter by developer Running With Scissors that includes the ability to light unarmed bystanders on fire. It would also apply to the popular "Grand Theft Auto" games, from Rockstar Games, that allow gamers to portray carjacking, gun-toting gangsters.

The California law never took effect. Lower courts have said that the law violated minors' constitutional rights, and that California lacked enough evidence to prove that violent games cause physical and psychological harm to minors. Courts in six other states, including Michigan and Illinois, reached similar conclusions, striking down similar bans.

Video game makers and sellers celebrated their victory, saying Monday's decision puts them on the same legal footing as other forms of entertainment. "There now can be no argument whether video games are entitled to the same protection as books, movies, music and other expressive entertainment," said Bo Andersen, president and CEO of the Entertainment Merchants Association.

But the battle may not be over. Leland Yee, a child psychologist and California state senator who wrote the video game ban, told The Associated Press Monday that he was reading the dissents in hopes of finding a way to reintroduce the law in a way that would be constitutional.

"It's disappointing the court didn't understand just how violent these games are," Yee told the AP.

Thomas argued in his separate dissent that the nation's founders never intended for free speech rights to "include a right to speak to minors (or a right of minors to access speech) without going through the minors' parents or guardians."

And at least two justices, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, indicated they would be willing to reconsider their votes under certain circumstances. "I would not squelch legislative efforts to deal with what is perceived by some to be a significant and developing social problem," Alito said, suggesting that a narrower state law might be upheld.

States can legally ban children from getting pornography. But Scalia said in his ruling that, unlike depictions of sexual conduct, there is no tradition in the United States of restricting children's access to depictions of violence. He noted the violence in the original depictions of many popular children's fairy tales such as Hansel and Gretel, Cinderella and Snow White.

Hansel and Gretel kill their captor by baking her in an oven, Cinderella's evil stepsisters have their eyes pecked out by doves and the evil queen in Snow White is forced to wear red hot slippers and dance until she is dead, Scalia said.

"Certainly the books we give children to read -- or read to them when they are younger -- contain no shortage of gore," he said.

And there is no proof that violent video games cause harm to children, or any more harm than another other form of entertainment, he said.

One doctor "admits that the same effects have been found when children watch cartoons starring Bugs Bunny or the Road Runner or when they play video games like Sonic the Hedgehog that are rated `E' or even when they `view a picture of a gun," Scalia said.

Tim Winter, president of the Parents Television Council, said the decision created a constitutionally authorized "end-run on parental authority."

"I wonder what other First Amendment right does a child have against their parents' wishes?" he said. "Does a child now have a constitutional right to bear arms if their parent doesn't want them to buy a gun? How far does this extend? It's certainly concerning to us that something as simple as requiring a parental oversight to purchase an adult product has been undermined by the court."

The case is Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association, 08-1448.
Epic Win for the most part. I just hope they don't try to make a narrower law. Just give it up a-holes.

Eltargrim 06-27-2011 05:45 PM

lol @ PTC comments. This gives more power to parents, not less.

Also, while I agree with the majority opinion, Breyer does have a point. Maybe pornography will be seeing a similar challenge in a few years~

Fifthfiend 06-27-2011 05:49 PM

Once in a while, the reprehensible Scalia good for something.

Jagos 06-27-2011 08:43 PM

Yeah, but this is a major battle...

Look at the dissents. The war is far from over.

RobinStarwing 06-27-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagos (Post 1138225)
Yeah, but this is a major battle...

Look at the dissents. The battle is far from over.

No, this battle is won. The war itself may be far from over. But now the other side knows they will need to make the laws very restrictive and much more narrowly defined so as to not violate the 1st Amendment Rights of Minors or Video Games as a new technology of expression.

EDIT> They will also need far better, longer-term, and less biased studies to prove anything also.

Eltargrim 06-27-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagos (Post 1138225)
Yeah, but this is a major battle...

Look at the dissents. The war is far from over.

Two dissents means it's pretty settled. It's the 5-4 decisions you need to look for.

Jagos 06-27-2011 10:31 PM

Not necessarily. Some of the Supremes would have upheld this had it been a little more tailored to being narrowly enforced. I believe the Escapist has a fair handle on why I'm concerned.

Aerozord 06-27-2011 11:02 PM

Best part is California shot itself in the foot. There is a drawback to bringing something to the supreme court, if they rule against you it becomes a national precedent. No state can have laws like this and if they currently do they are automatically repealed.

Video games are protected under the first amendment, this cannot be appealed because there is no higher court to appeal to and you cannot try the same case twice. Now its true they could attempt to repackage this in a way the supreme court would hear it again but it took 6 years to get this case to the supreme court. It will be awhile before we even have to worry about this.

This also makes a very large road block. To reiterate video games are covered under the first amendment and this cannot be changed. Getting a law that restricts them would be just as hard as it would be to get the same law passed for movies or television.

Eltargrim 06-27-2011 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 1138278)
you cannot try the same case twice.

This only really applies to criminal law. Another state could come in with a similar (but not identical) situation with a different set of arguments and could conceivably win.

Aerozord 06-27-2011 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eltargrim (Post 1138280)
This only really applies to criminal law. Another state could come in with a similar (but not identical) situation with a different set of arguments and could conceivably win.

this is criminal law though. The US supreme court, or to be more exact the supreme court you think of when someone uses the term, only handle matters of constitutional law.

Also we have a common law system with a descending hierarchy. Precedence has been set by the highest court that the state cannot punish a store for selling a video game based on violent content because it violates the first amendment. If the same case is presented in any court, ie the legal prosecution for selling a violent game to a minor, they point to this ruling and tell the state "we already ruled on this crap, now shut up and let the kid play his mortal kombat."

Not to say they couldn't try something else, I suspect we will see one based on sex in video games soon, but violence in games gets the same pass as all other media and there isn't anything the state can do about it.


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