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The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk 07-17-2011 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Donomni (Post 1141865)
Now, I'm probably the last person to go for comics knowledge on the internets, but weren't the original Avengers a 5-man team?

So, we're kinda missing someone in their own movie, then.

...unless the missing person in question is Spider-Man, then you can disregard this since Sony has their hooks in Spidey's movie rights.

Well, technically they're also missing Ant Man and Wasp, but they're bringing in Black Widow and Hawkeye to kind of replace them. Apparantly after the first Avengers movie they want to maybe do proper films for all the other characters they've missed, as well as sequels for the others, and I think they want to do a full blown Nick Fury and Black Panther movie too.

Yeah, Avengers 2 is gona get really packed. I suppose we should be thankful they don't have the rights to Spiderman and the X Men back yet as well, otherwise everything would be thrown together into a single universe and then things would be really crazy, much like the actual comics.

Melfice 07-17-2011 12:51 PM

Simple, Smarty.

You make them secret Nazis who don't use the swastika and have different goals from the real Nazis.

Professor Smarmiarty 07-17-2011 12:57 PM

Captain America fights Al-Qaeda?

Sky Warrior Bob 07-17-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants (Post 1141875)
Captain America fights Al-Qaeda?

No, you can't have fictional characters fight non-fictional people. That would be silly.

Most likely these non-Nazis were supposed to be Hydra.

At least, in the Disney Avengers show, that's how they seem to play things.

I think the no Nazi thing comes into play because Germany has a ban, of sorts, against tv & movies who use them. So in order to sell stuff to Germany, we've got fictional Nazi-like characters.

At least, that's my limited understanding of the situation.

Professor Smarmiarty 07-17-2011 02:34 PM

The ban doesn't apply to "works of art" which includes movies though it does apply to their promotional material. It's why they could show Inglourious Basterds but had to change its poster for example.

And the fictional fighting non-fictional thing- plenty of fictional dudes have thought the nazis. and it pretty much central to Captain America that he was created to fight nazis and his main villain Red Skull is Hitler's deputy.

Magus 07-17-2011 04:20 PM

I don't understand, he clearly seemed to be fighting Nazis in the trailers. Okay, okay, it's a secret organization called Hydra that does occult and scientific experiments in tandem with the Nazis and they're like best buddies. So? If you help out the Nazis you are pretty much a Nazi, too. I don't see why this small difference is a big deal.

Like, does Belloq in Raiders of the Lost Ark just piss everybody off to no end because he's only working with the Nazis instead of being an actual member of the Gestapo or whatever?

The Sevenshot Kid 07-17-2011 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus (Post 1141906)
I don't understand, he clearly seemed to be fighting Nazis in the trailers. Okay, okay, it's a secret organization called Hydra that does occult and scientific experiments in tandem with the Nazis and they're like best buddies. So? If you help out the Nazis you are pretty much a Nazi, too. I don't see why this small difference is a big deal.

Like, does Belloq in Raiders of the Lost Ark just piss everybody off to no end because he's only working with the Nazis instead of being an actual member of the Gestapo or whatever?

Let me explain: Hydra starts off as a Nazi science division but within like five minutes the Red Skull practically tells them all to go fuck themselves and tries to wage his own war.

And this movie was such an Indian Jones movie.

Professor Smarmiarty 07-18-2011 09:26 AM

That sounds pretty ridic to best honest.

My bet is he is waiting for Captain Russia to kill all the Nazis thn going to storm in and claim the credit.

Donomni 07-18-2011 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk (Post 1141872)
Yeah, Avengers 2 is gona get really packed. I suppose we should be thankful they don't have the rights to Spiderman and the X Men back yet as well, otherwise everything would be thrown together into a single universe and then things would be really crazy, much like the actual comics.

Now that I think about it, we can totally not have that many Marvel movies.

Seriously, the continuity... ow. That is hurting my brain, right there.

The Sevenshot Kid 07-18-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Donomni (Post 1142063)
Now that I think about it, we can totally not have that many Marvel movies.

Seriously, the continuity... ow. That is hurting my brain, right there.

While this may seem problematic, it also means we might get to see Dr. Strange and Iron Fist in their own movies.

Marvel is building their brand up like crazy. If The Avengers pays off then this will give them free reign to make whatever movies they want. DC can't do that because they've screwed up their last few non-Batman movies.


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