Oh, if they actually went with the actual plotline it would be terrible, I figured just the basic theme behind it would be cool, and could grow out of the whole congressional hearings from Iron Man 2.

But yeah I'm presuming in the years between Avengers and Avengers 2 we get like ten new Marvel superhero movie franchises introduced. They're already sticking Spider-Man into the movie-verse (by making Peter Parker's deceased parents turn out to be agents of SHIELD) so it's possible to get enough movies in there to make the basic idea feasible, even if it's just like "Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Nick Fury and SHIELD versus all the other heroes" or what have you.

Hmm, while I still find the pre-Cap mocap body in the trailers inherently ridiculous, this review and the fact that I just discovered that Joe "Rocketeer" Johnston directed it is swaying me.

Lack of Nazis is disappointing however, especially since the best scene in the Rocketeer relied on the Nazis being so inherently evil mobsters and G-Men would band together to take them out. Can't Nazis just be de facto the most bad guys, without all of this offshoot nonsense?

My guess is that they're either trying to make it more kid-friendly or they're planning on keeping Hydra as villains for the Avengers.

And don't doubt that effect they did on Chris Evans. I spent the entire time looking for a flaw in that effect and not once did I see one. Steve spends a bit more time than I was expecting as pre-super soldier so they really had to sell him as the weakling.

Oh, do any of you remember how the Marvel U has it's own Marvel comics that publishes superhero stories with "minor" alterations? There's a quick nod to that too as well as Steve's career as an artist that I really appreciated.

There were a couple of instances where his head seemed to be mis-sized to his smaller body, but other than that it was a pretty good effect.

I was personally surprised by the fact they showed the blood spread when the one guy fell into the propeller.

I wonder if Red Skull is going to be the Avengers villain?

Arg. I'm so mad I didn't catch this yet. Apparently I have mono so I can't really leave the house to see it or do much of anything else since I keep getting fevers.

edit: I actually meant this to go in the Captain America thread. Whoopsie

I got a kick out of the propeller thing, although there was probably way less blood than one would expect, it was still pretty hilarious!

Red Skull certainly seemed to just teleport away similar to what Thor and his crew did in the Thor movie, so I'd expect his return eventually, though it might just be in Captain America 2.

The after trailer seemed to focus on Loki, so we know he's in on it. It would have to be something more powerful, though.

So for everyone still on the fence about seeing it, I can now confirm that this movie does indeed move like a motherfucker in the best way possible...well, at least once he actually becomes Captain America. My ideal pre-Cap sequence would have just been Steve diving on the fake grenade at USO show or something and then immediately strapped into the serum booth (maybe some Red Skull shenanigans interspersed) and on to the main movie, which was great.

Seriously, once he got buff the movie just didn't slow down. Liked the Brooklyn chase, the montage of shows was jingoistically adorable, the breakout battle was great, and the montage of them dismantling Hydra was gold. I also really loved that the supporting B-Squad was each given just one line of dialog to distinguish themselves and then let loose, because my big problem with Thor was that those three Asgardians who weren't Thor or Loki got a disproportionate amount of screentime to how interesting they actually were.

Only real complaint, aside from the pre-Cap, is that the modern day stuff felt so obviously tacked on. I wanted to just sit them down, give them a pat on the back, and point out that the subtitle was The First Avenger, so we didn't really need the tie-in sledgehammer.

People are on the fence about seeing this?! I was on the fence about Thor 'cause I didn't know a lot about the dude, but this is freaking Captain America. You know that at the very least he's going to kick some ass in the defense of freedom, probably with explosions.

FTFY

Things I just realized:

-Barring comics-logic shenanigans, the 70 year time jump means no more Hayley Atwell...or Tommy Lee Jones or Sebastian Stan or anyone else...but mostly it means no more Hayley Atwell :<(((((

-So, Captain America never really fondue-d anyone, did he? Does he get to be leader of the Avengers because they feel bad for him that he's still a virgin?