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Magus 07-21-2011 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Sevenshot Kid (Post 1142811)
No name actors? Seriously? Are you out of touch with reality or something?

This movie has Martin Sheen, Sally Fields, Dennis Leary, Emma Stone, and Andrew Garfield! Someone's bound to recognize at least two of those names. And of course the CGI doesn't look 100% yet. The movie is coming out next year, they've still got time to work on it.

And I'm gonna be in the minority on this, but I enjoyed the first person bit. I can't wait to see this trailer in 3D so I can get the feel of zipping through New York.

And to whoever asked, yeah Peter's parents were SHIELD agents in the comics. So they're actually adapting that bit right.

I'll admit, I think this movie has made a mistake in redoing the origin instead of skimming over it (ala Spectacular Spider-Man) but maybe it'll work to their benefit. From what I gleamed from the trailer, Peter is actually gonna look and act like an outcast. I never believed Tobey's performance as a nerd but Garfield looks like he can pull it off.

Okay, okay, C-list actors. I mean, I like Denis Leary but the man is a comedian and TV actor in the end. It probably comes from mainly my not recognizing the guy playing Spider-Man, the girl playing Mary Jane, the people playing Uncle Ben and Aunt May, etc. Tobey Macguire was already an A-list actor before they paid him a bunch of money to be in Spider-Man.

Well, I'm glad to hear they didn't just make up the parents being SHIELD agents, but on the other hand I don't really like that, as I said, much like what they did with Batman's dad or Superman turning out to have various surviving Kryptonian people in the form of Kandorians.

How did Macguire not pull off the nerd thing, by the way? He was incredibly soft-spoken and pretty flimsy looking (until he took his shirt off in that one scene) with a common everyday haircut, fairly plain face (in comparison to other movie actors). The new guy has a stylish hair-do and looks more like your more traditional pretty boy.

EDIT: By the way my waffling is pretty pointless, I am going to go see this movie. I just hope it's not bad.

Fifthfiend 07-21-2011 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus (Post 1142843)
Okay, okay, C-list actors.

This is a ridiculosu claim; Dennis Leary is at worst B-list, Sally Field and Martin Sheen are Hollywood royalty.

Seil 07-21-2011 04:06 PM

http://collider.com/wp-content/image...ma%20Stone.jpg

Emma Stone. Anybody recognize her now?

Magus 07-21-2011 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Seil (Post 1142887)
http://collider.com/wp-content/image...ma%20Stone.jpg

Emma Stone. Anybody recognize her now?

I don't. Is she famous for something?

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend
This is a ridiculosu claim; Dennis Leary is at worst B-list, Sally Field and Martin Sheen are Hollywood royalty.

How do you define "Hollywood royalty"? I'm not going by their actual level of talent, I'm going by how they are treated by Hollywood movie studios. Do you think William H. Macy gets paid anywhere near the amount Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie or whoever gets paid, despite being a demonstrably better actor? Martin Sheen's last really big leading role I remember was The Dead Zone, otherwise mostly secondary characters, I don't think he commands seven figure movie contracts. In this aspect it is people from the C-list and people I've personally never heard of (maybe they are in movies I haven't seen).

I see Martin Sheen is playing Uncle Ben. Let me just tell you that he has become so unrecognizable since the '80s I had no idea, because his biggest role since then was on a TV show. TV actors simply don't have the same pull as movie actors. Actors may have once been B-List actors (despite your assertion I don't think Sheen was ever A-List) but they are shuffled down as time passes. Some actors are such great actors they command high amounts of money even into perpetuity. It's a cost-cutting measure to get Martin Sheen and so on.

Again, didn't know he was playing Uncle Ben. But I seriously didn't recognize the other actors/actresses.

Professor Smarmiarty 07-21-2011 04:31 PM

Emma Stone was in zombieland, super bad and the rocker probably most noticeably. She done lots of teen type movies .
Also I don't see the complaints with the cast in your terms. Which superhero movie has had "A-list" actors?

Magus 07-21-2011 04:37 PM

Spider-Man 1-3, The Dark Knight, Iron Man 1 and 2, etc.

How 'bout this? I hate the guy who is Spider-Man, I don't know who he is and he looks dumb. Forget I said anything about the supporting cast I won't be watching for the vast majority of the film.

Professor Smarmiarty 07-21-2011 04:45 PM

Those films are all stocked with B and C-listers. Lots of tv actors too.

Who would you cast as Spider-man out of interest?

Also doesn't A list cast usually mean terrible movie? Cause it means they've got fuckloads of money and thus need to make the blandest most marketable fim possible to make back their budget. And the A-lsit actors are all pretty awful.

I'm just not seeing how "I don't recognise the lead actor" is a valid complaint against a movie.

Lumenskir 07-21-2011 04:49 PM

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Which superhero movie has had "A-list" actors?
TL;DR - Superhero movies make stars out of the chosen, they don't choose the stars.
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Spider-Man 1-3
Six Movie Roles Immediately Previous to Spider-Man 1
Cats & Dogs
Lou the Beagle (voice)

2001 Don's Plum
Ian

2000 Wonder Boys
James Leer

1999/I Ride with the Devil
Jake Roedel

1999 The Cider House Rules
Homer Wells

1998 Pleasantville
David

I'll maybe give you Cider House as Oscar Bait, but where is the blockbuster headlined by Maguire?
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The Dark Knight
Six Movie Roles Immediately Previous to Batman Begins

Howl's Moving Castle
Howl (voice: English version)

2004 The Machinist
Trevor Reznik

2002 Equilibrium
John Preston

2002 Reign of Fire
Quinn Abercromby

2002 Laurel Canyon
Sam

2001 Captain Corelli's Mandolin
Mandras

Reign of Fire and Captain Corelli were flops, Equillibrium and Machinist were limited release, and American Psycho (just missed the cutoff) is a cult favorite at best.

Unless you meant that The Dark Knight was headlined by an A-Lister because Bale was catapulted into that realm thanks to Batman Begins...
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Iron Man 1 and 2
Six Movie Roles Immediately Previous to Iron Man 1

Charlie Bartlett
Nathan Gardner

2007 Lucky You
Telephone Jack

2007/I Zodiac
Paul Avery

2006 Fur: An Imaginary Portrait of Diane Arbus
Lionel Sweeney

2006 A Scanner Darkly
James Barris

2006 The Shaggy Dog
Dr. Kozak

Yeah, nothing approaching Hollywood Gold there (although Kiss Kiss Bang Bang (9 before) is one of my favorite movies), and he was just barely out of the penumbra of the "Yeah he's good, but he has so many drug/alcohol problems" talk.

Fifthfiend 07-21-2011 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus (Post 1142888)
But I seriously didn't recognize the other actors/actresses.

Your failure to recognize Sally Field, film and TV star for over four decades and winner of two Best Actress Oscars, says pretty much everything that needs to be said about your views in this area.

Magus 07-21-2011 05:13 PM

Okay, how about this:

I dislike it for all the unspecified reasons the rest of you dislike it and didn't bother to write.

EDIT: Yeah, sure, Fifth, Sally Field is just an American darling! Too bad she's been in three movies of note I didn't like twenty years ago.

Again, I haven't been watching these prime time dramas which is why I didn't recognize Martin Sheen in the trailer, or this Sally Field lady. I've seen all three of her movies years ago, doesn't mean I'm supposed to automatically recognize her.


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