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akaSM 07-27-2011 03:43 AM

New video card for an old PC
 
Remember that PC I tried to use to make us a TF2 server? Remember how much it sucked? Well, the poor thing has a really weak video card (a geforce 7200gs), since my bro and sis like to play games, I'd like to get a better card for it but, here's are some objectives:
  • Price doesn't really matter
  • It's got a 400w power thingy (was it called a PSU?)
  • It's got a Pentium D processor @ 3Ghz
  • The motherboard is a Intel d102ggc2
  • It's got 1GB of RAM

Now, with those things in mind, which video card would be a nice idea to get? Specially considering that the motherboard won't accept RAM beyond 2GB and the processor isn't exactly powerful. I don't want to end with a extremely expensive card that will be limited by the processor >_>

The games it'll run will be mostly what we play in the NPF weekends. You can take TF2 as the reference game.

Thanks in advance ^_^.

Oh, if possible, list various options like
  • card A can run TF2 fine but, that's about it
  • card B is more expensive but, will run more things
  • card C is the best you can get for that processor
  • card D is good but, your processor sucks and it'll limit the card
  • card E is what you need but that power thingy is too weak for it

Kyanbu The Legend 07-27-2011 04:12 AM

What's your OS?

akaSM 07-27-2011 04:15 AM

It originally had WinXP, I've messing with Win7 lately. Now that I think about it, is it a good idea to go back to XP for that specific PC?

Kyanbu The Legend 07-27-2011 04:29 AM

XP is recent enough to for a less then current Geforce graphics card to work. Though don't take my word for it too willingly.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_family.html Has a nice list of cards to chose from. All comes down to what you want it to do VS what your PC can handle. Wish I could be a bit more helpful then this.

What I can tell you is that I use a NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 on my 2 gig system memory 64 bit Win7 PC and it works pretty nicely for me.

Nikose Tyris 07-27-2011 09:05 AM

Okay so couple of things that I had to figure out using what information your provided:

A) your computer is older. Your Mobo likely won't accept higher than PCI-e video cards [since that's what you're using now], so that's what I went hunting for.

B) Your OS really has jack-all to do with this, I guess Kyanbu was maybe talking about drivers but really no, not an issue here.

C) As it stands with your PC, I don't think you'll find a video card that can give you more then 512MB Video Ram, and I'm leery to recommend anything for fear of it being too advanced for your system to handle.

THAT SAID, I can tentatively recommend this, since it seems to match your previous card, and is merely an upgrade: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...105&CatId=1826

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But, since you left the statement that price doesn't matter, I'd rather point you at this:
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...14321&csid=_21

it's a barebones kit to a superior computer that might be in your price range. Plug it all together and slap your old hard drive in there. The onboard video is superior to the video card you were using.

Please keep in mind it's only an idea - But it may be an idea that's affordable, in terms of running a server for games.

akaSM 07-27-2011 02:47 PM

A new PC, huh? Well, time to see if the can ship here ^_^. Otherwise, I'll have to look for the card. Thanks Kyanbu and Nik

Nikose Tyris 07-27-2011 02:57 PM

Hope I helped in the long run. :P Server Machines are annoying, but there are some amazing deals to be had for doing barebones builds if you watch for them, that can match the cost of individual components like the video card.

I'd poke at Synk to verify my advice, though- I've been pretty much ignoring the hardware scene for a while, and my advice always feels kind of outdated to me these days!

akaSM 07-27-2011 04:12 PM

hey Synk *poke* *poke*
 
Hey, guess what? It seems video cards aren't ridiculously overpriced around here! :D...well, considering that I still have to pay for shipping and taxes (I paid about 50 USD for 2 HDs...stupid taxes), I might even get it locally :3

synkr0nized 07-27-2011 05:27 PM

I was summoned!
 
I suppose it depends on what cards you have available locally?



I recently used parts from a former rig to build a HTPC. As such, I got a similar card as Nikose linked -- a GeForce GT 220. I didn't want one that required too much power; really all I went for was HDMI output and the ability to handle streaming video. It was about forty bucks (US), and the reason I went with it over the 210s I saw and the 8400GS like he linked is that it has a 128-bit memory interface instead of 64-bit, a little bit faster core clock and more cores, things like that. It's worth noting, however, that it's only DDR2 video RAM.

Your 7200gs would be outperformed by either card, however, and very likely by the onboard video of that kit Nikose linked (I don't usually keep up on onboard video options, as I prefer dedicated cards, so I'd have to do some reading to be comfortable with recommending or dissing that setup).

And the latter brings up an interesting point: what is your intended budget? If it's as high as a few hundred, then yeah I totally am on board with just ignoring that Pentium-D machine and slapping together an AMD quad-core or tri-core. Even with a kit like that you still have a PCIe slot in case you want to add a more powerful, dedicated card to the system later.



Right now, if I were in your shoes, I would push to replace the machine. Either part-out something with similar parts (AMD processors would be the most friendly to any budget) or look for kits like that on TigerDirect or Newegg. I say this because you can easily double or triple or more the performance of what you currently described without going way too huge into cost.

However, you're talking about this machine being a server machine. The server doesn't even need graphics to run (or are you not running it as a dedicated server and also playing on it while hosting the games?). In that sense, maybe it's NOT worth the money to build a new one right now and just get a nice PCIe card. There are some newer and more powerful ones that would be fantastic cards -- such as the 430 -- in the 75-100 dollar (US) price range. You could buy something like that now and then have it if you go ahead and put together a machine later.


It would depend on what you're interested in, I guess.



And it looks like I haven't really answered anything.




EDIT: I hate to say it, but you could even look at pre-builts (Dell, HP, etc.) with dedicated cards that fell into whatever budget you decided upon. I had advised my father on parts and budget and so on when he wanted to get a desktop machine and ended up guiding him to an HP elite tower, as it had all the kinds of processing and computing (and even graphics) power he wanted, was in his budget, and had the added benefit of actual customer support and warranty for three years instead of relying on me.

akaSM 07-27-2011 05:34 PM

Problem 2: the probleming
 
So, my bro bought an extra RAM stick. Same brand and everything BUT, it's a single sided RAM stick, the one we had is a double sided one. The PC can detect them separately (bot in the BIOS and within Windows) but, as soon as I put both, only one of the sticks is detected (again, in both cases).

The things is...CPU-Z can detect both just fine o_O

Here's what CPU-Z says about the RAM:

Code:

Memory SPD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #                                1
        SMBus address                0x50
        Memory type                DDR2
        Module format                Regular UDIMM
        Manufacturer (ID)        Kingston (7F98000000000000)
        Size                        1024 MBytes
        Max bandwidth                PC2-4300 (266 MHz)
        Part number                                 
        Serial number                F208AC72
        Manufacturing date        Week 20/Year 10
        Number of banks                1
        Data width                64 bits
        Correction                None
        Nominal Voltage                1.80 Volts
        EPP                        no
        XMP                        no
JEDEC timings table                CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
        JEDEC #1                3.0-3-3-9-12 @ 200 MHz
        JEDEC #2                4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
        JEDEC #3                5.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz

DIMM #                                2
        SMBus address                0x51
        Memory type                DDR2
        Module format                Regular UDIMM
        Manufacturer (ID)        Kingston (7F98000000000000)
        Size                        1024 MBytes
        Max bandwidth                PC2-4300 (266 MHz)
        Part number               
        Serial number                6709D00B
        Manufacturing date        Week 13/Year 07
        Number of banks                2
        Data width                64 bits
        Correction                None
        Nominal Voltage                1.80 Volts
        EPP                        no
        XMP                        no
JEDEC timings table                CL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS-tRC @ frequency
        JEDEC #1                3.0-3-3-9-12 @ 200 MHz
        JEDEC #2                4.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz
        JEDEC #3                5.0-4-4-12-16 @ 266 MHz

DIMM #                                1
SPD registers       
                00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F
        00        80 08 08 0E 0A 00 40 00 05 3D 50 00 82 08 00 00
        10        0C 08 38 01 02 00 03 3D 50 50 60 3C 1E 3C 2D 01
        20        25 37 10 22 3C 1E 1E 00 06 3C 7F 80 1E 28 00 00
        30        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 F6
        40        7F 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 20 20 20 20 20 20 20
        50        20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 0A 1A F2
        60        08 AC 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        70        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        80        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        90        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        A0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        B0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        C0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        D0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        E0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        F0        39 39 55 35 34 33 31 2D 30 31 34 2E 41 30 30 4C

DIMM #                                2
SPD registers       
                00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F
        00        80 08 08 0E 0A 61 40 00 05 3D 50 00 82 08 00 00
        10        0C 04 38 01 02 00 03 3D 50 50 60 3C 1E 3C 2D 80
        20        25 37 10 22 3C 1E 1E 00 00 3C 69 80 1E 28 00 00
        30        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 B6
        40        7F 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        50        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 0D 67
        60        09 D0 0B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        70        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        80        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        90        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        A0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        B0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        C0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        D0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        E0        00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
        F0        39 39 55 35 33 31 36 2D 30 30 32 2E 41 30 32 4C



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