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Fifthfiend 08-10-2011 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 1147630)
I will never understand why people always take to resenting and insulting an individual simply because they have a view point that differs from your own.

Your viewpoint seems to be that it's something other than not at all ever in any way okay for businesses to not pay their employees, which you've supported in ways that are wrong as matters of both fact and law.

Just sayin'.

Fifthfiend 08-10-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NonCon (Post 1147677)
What makes all this harder is doing it in a way to draw in hits, because what it all comes down to is traffic equals money. It's hard to do this in a way that still retains integrity because in the end inflammatory, overly-opinionated articles with misleading headlines will almost always get the most hits.

Yeah I certainly can't imagine you being inflammatory and overopinionated




EDIT: I would tell you to hire me but the part where I'd have to play video games is kind of a sticking point I guess

EDIT: I could just write you like a thousand angry as fuck words about whatever I did in minecraft that week

Aerozord 08-10-2011 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 1147679)
Your viewpoint seems to be that it's something other than not at all ever in any way okay for businesses to not pay their employees, which you've supported in ways that are wrong as matters of both fact and law.

Just sayin'.

no I am saying if money isn't there then its not possible. you cant give something you dont have.

It is also common to run a company on the assumption you will make revenue in the future, in fact its one of the most basic principals in accounting. For a variety of reasons that money might not be there when it comes time.

Now hopefully I wont have to say this again, but I am not saying this is the case. Honestly I find it unlikely that a site so popular that this is even news isn't turning enough of a profit to handle its expenses. Most likely this is either horrible management grossly mishandling its accounts probably from growing too quickly, or they are just being dirty business men and screwing over people left right and center.

Of course there are other explanations, but those two seem most likely to me

Jagos 08-10-2011 08:21 PM

This kind of reminds me of how Huffington Post has done ttheir site.

If anything, they don't pay the writers, but the writers get other credits such as an increase in reputation and particular job offers.

I think that people would love to write for Escapist, they just made a mistake in how they can afford payment. To everyone. That gives them content for the low, low price of free.

Kerensky287 08-10-2011 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 1147685)
no I am saying if money isn't there then its not possible. you cant give something you dont have.

It is also common to run a company on the assumption you will make revenue in the future, in fact its one of the most basic principals in accounting. For a variety of reasons that money might not be there when it comes time.

No one is arguing that that is POSSIBLE. What it looks like to me, though (as an outside observer) is that you are suggesting that The Escapist was doing so as a "legitimate business tactic."

Yes, it is legitimate in that it is possible and occasionally works as you have laid out. However, in this case, it was not a "legitimate tactic" in the sense that no one in their right mind would ever do it and expect to make money honestly.

If The Escapist had taken out loans to pay its content providers rather than lay them off in hopes of future revenue, that would be legitimate. If The Escapist had laid off content providers that weren't raking in many hits so as to avoid taking out loans, that would be legitimate.

What The Escapist did was sort of a mix of the two. They laid off content providers to avoid taking out loans. And then they hired content providers in hopes of future revenue. The big reason why this is not a legitimate business tactic, in this case, is because they missed the all-important "pay your fucking employees" step.

It seems to me that, to a certain extent, everyone is arguing the exact same point from different angles. It just looks like there's a disagreement going on because Noncon and Solid Snake are pushing the "it's unlawful and painfully stupid" side, and Aerozord is pushing the "people have done similar things and succeeded" side.

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 1147685)
Now hopefully I wont have to say this again, but I am not saying this is the case. Honestly I find it unlikely that a site so popular that this is even news isn't turning enough of a profit to handle its expenses. Most likely this is either horrible management grossly mishandling its accounts probably from growing too quickly, or they are just being dirty business men and screwing over people left right and center.

Of course there are other explanations, but those two seem most likely to me

I can't really comment on the validity of this statement - I don't have any business training, and most of my theories revolve around the fact that so much of their content (ie. most of the stuff aside from ZP and EC) kind of sucks - but I will point out that, as James Portnow mentioned in a response to The Escapist's big list, it feels a little suspicious that all that money suddenly appeared the moment Extra Credits asked for their IP back.

Fifthfiend 08-10-2011 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 1147685)
no I am saying if money isn't there then its not possible. you cant give something you dont have.

It is also common to run a company on the assumption you will make revenue in the future, in fact its one of the most basic principals in accounting. For a variety of reasons that money might not be there when it comes time.

Now hopefully I wont have to say this again, but I am not saying this is the case. Honestly I find it unlikely that a site so popular that this is even news isn't turning enough of a profit to handle its expenses. Most likely this is either horrible management grossly mishandling its accounts probably from growing too quickly, or they are just being dirty business men and screwing over people left right and center.

Of course there are other explanations, but those two seem most likely to me

So.

Pretty much like my post said, really.

Solid Snake 08-10-2011 08:52 PM

Man NonCon gets all the credit =/

Fifthfiend 08-10-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake (Post 1147634)
uuuggggghhhh why I am bothering with this

Cause you wanna show off alla that fancy booklearnin'.

EVILNess 08-10-2011 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifthfiend (Post 1147680)
EDIT: I could just write you like a thousand angry as fuck words about whatever I did in minecraft that week

I've read dumber things to kill time.


EDIT: "A thousand angry as fuck words about whatever I did in minecraft that week" must be the title though.

Ramary 08-10-2011 10:40 PM

Hey guys what is going on in he-You know what I will let myself out.


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