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Seil 09-14-2011 02:20 PM

"Let's Talk About Cyber Bullying" or "Trolling Is Now An Addictive Substance"
 
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An internet ‘troll’ who posted vile abuse on Facebook memorial sites dedicated to dead children was jailed yesterday.

Sean Duffy caused ‘untold distress’ by mocking a 15-year-old schoolgirl who committed suicide, leaving obscene messages and videos on a condolence page set up by her family.

The 25-year-old – the son of a BBC comedy writer who worked with Terry Wogan – also hijacked tribute websites of three other children he had never met.

In one of the first cases of its kind, the autistic loner was sentenced to 18 weeks behind bars and banned from using social networking sites for five years.

He had admitted he was hooked on the sick craze of ‘trolling’ – where internet users deliberately leave abusive and bullying comments on networking sites.

Yesterday one of his victim’s parents hit out at Facebook, calling on the website to do more to tackle the problem after it emerged that one girl wrongly accused by others of posting the messages had attempted suicide.

The teenager took a drug overdose, but survived to see her innocence proved when Duffy was arrested earlier this year.


Reading magistrates heard how the alcoholic, who suffers from Asperger’s Syndrome – a form of autism in which sufferers have difficulties with communication and social interaction – trawled the internet looking for tribute sites.

He targeted Natasha MacBryde, who threw herself under a train close to her home in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, on Valentine’s Day this year.

The next day, Duffy trashed her Facebook memorial page, branding the public schoolgirl a ‘spoiled little ****’.

He attached to her tribute site another Facebook page entitled Tasha MacTank Engine featuring a video in which the face of the Royal Grammar School Worcester pupil was put on a train with the theme to Thomas the Tank Engine playing in the background.
First off, dude is autistic: he's apparently an Asperger's sufferer, and an alcoholic. Don't know if he takes medication and it reacts in some way with the alcohol, but the article is pretty intent on demonizing him and didn't go into it that I saw.

But this is a dude who is... well, unabashedly evil. I understand that he's got a mental condition, but, (my) emphasis up there, he's... he's creating new situations where he can profit emotionally from the distress about others. I understand that "Trolling" is really just a descriptive term for a behavior that predates it, and that the behavior itself is something people have been doing for a while, but hey (little mad about it here) new buzzword.

I'm late for class, so I dun have the time to dig up that old thread what where the mother of a tween cyber-bullied her daughter's classmate until the young girl committed suicide, because I cannae remember what measures were put into place to protect others from cyber bullying.

Because I dun think this thing falls under free speech.

Aerozord 09-14-2011 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Seil (Post 1154956)

First off, dude is autistic: he's apparently an Asperger's sufferer, and an alcoholic. Don't know if he takes medication and it reacts in some way with the alcohol, but the article is pretty intent on demonizing him and didn't go into it that I saw.

while I'm aware you are just repeating how the article phrased it. Please do not say things like aspergers sufferer, it is rather offensive.

That being said, it causes issue with non-verbal communication. Perceived insensitive behavior is a result of non-verbal ques being misunderstood and a disinterest in social mores. In other words, no, the guy was just a dick and fact he has aspergers shouldn't even be mentioned. Be like randomly inserting that he is black or gay, its not relevant. Alcoholism on the other hand I can see having a point, but unless someone is force feeding him beer its definitely no excuse for this behavior

Jagos 09-14-2011 06:00 PM

Here's a question...

Do we really want to lock up all of the people in the world for trolling?

Mr.Bookworm 09-14-2011 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagos (Post 1154981)
Here's a question...

Do we really want to lock up all of the people in the world for trolling?


Yes. Of course, "all of the world" does not include the entire portion of the world that does not have access to the Internet and the entire portion of the Internet that are not assholes. So either you just poorly picked your words or you just constructed a strawman at record speeds with absolutely no one arguing against you.

When you are a complete and total fucktard online to the point of harassment like this guy, you should be treated like you went to the family's house and started harassing them in real life.

Aerozord 09-14-2011 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm (Post 1154984)
When you are a complete and total fucktard online to the point of harassment like this guy, you should be treated like you went to the family's house and started harassing them in real life.

yea just apply the same laws for real life as with the internet. If this person, instead of sending messages called the persons house, or posted notes on their door, would they be arrested? If yes, then its harassment, and illegal.

Krylo 09-14-2011 08:23 PM

Except her facebook page and memorial were both public spaces. It would be more like he went to her funeral or public wake and did it.

And in that case it's much more of a grey area as to whether it was harassment or not.

Loyal 09-14-2011 08:47 PM

Well, the WBC gets away with it.

Aerozord 09-14-2011 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Krylo (Post 1154994)
Except her facebook page and memorial were both public spaces. It would be more like he went to her funeral or public wake and did it.

And in that case it's much more of a grey area as to whether it was harassment or not.

I think it still fits. Its simular to defacing said memorial, and I would call her facebook page private. I do think your funeral analogy is apt, and not so certain of the legality. But if someone crashes a funeral and acts like a dick, I see nothing wrong with punishing them personally

Krylo 09-14-2011 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 1154996)
I think it still fits. Its simular to defacing said memorial

Except you can delete comments on your facebook page with three simple clicks. Something that can be removed that easily isn't 'defacing'. At least not any more than putting up a post-it note is.
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and I would call her facebook page private.
If it was private he couldn't have accessed it without permission. If you have a facebook page set to 'public' that is what it is.
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I do think your funeral analogy is apt, and not so certain of the legality. But if someone crashes a funeral and acts like a dick, I see nothing wrong with punishing them personally
Neither do I, but the funeral analogy isn't perfect, because the facebook page is used for other things.

Do we throw someone in jail for calling their cheating girlfriend a stupid fat cunt on her facebook page? Do we even make them defend themselves? Because law isn't exactly... discerning about these things. If you make something illegal to do on someone's facebook page you make it illegal, and extenuating circumstances laws still involve dealing with the law to prove your innocence by the letter of the law.

And, not only that, but we let people get away with much more hurtful things at actual real world funerals, wakes, and memorials. As Loyal already mentioned.

You can't throw someone in jail for doing something online that you wouldn't throw someone in jail for doing in the physical world. Well, obviously you CAN as they HAVE, but you shouldn't.

Aerozord 09-14-2011 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Krylo (Post 1154997)
Except you can delete comments on your facebook page with three simple clicks.

but it can be re-applied with just as much ease. More so if you know abit of coding.

Its not the act itself, its the relentless re-application of it. In your example of the girlfriend. Lets keep real world analog though since this is something we do have precedence for. Calling your cheating girlfriend a cunt, is ok. Calling her on a daily basis and doing it for weeks or months, not so much.

Harassment is not about a single act, its about persistently repeating an act against someone.


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