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stefan

09-20-2011 12:03 PM

DADT is dead

LGBT Americans can now openly serve in the US military.

Quote:

Though September 20, 2011 may be remembered as much as a nonevent for the nation�s armed forces as it is a landmark day for equality, an official military memorandum on the end of DADT distributed Monday is striking nonetheless:

�From this day forward, gay and lesbian Soldiers may serve in our Army with the dignity and respect they deserve,� Secretary of the Army John M. McHugh and Army officials wrote (see a PDF of the letter here). �For over 236 years, the U.S. Army has been an extraordinary force for good in the world. Our Soldiers are the most agile, adaptable and capable warriors in history � and we are ready for this change.�

aside from the obligatory comical remarks from hopelessly backwards social conservatives, there's not really much to say on the matter. I'm just suprised I'm the first one to make a thread on it.

Seil	09-20-2011 02:08 PM

I've been talking about it with a few lesbian friends: there's not really much to say, except for "Yessss!" But it's nice to see some steps forward.

That being said, while I see its necessity, I'm not a fan of the military, and the guns and the fighting and the strict structure and the conformity with camraderie and the lack of alcohol and such. Also, I've never really liked green that much.

Professor Smarmiarty

09-20-2011 02:17 PM

"For over 236 years, the U.S. Army has been an extraordinary force for good in the world. Our Soldiers are the most agile, adaptable and capable warriors in history � and we are ready for this change."
Lolwut.

Kim	09-20-2011 02:28 PM

Just throwing this out their, but this isn't a victory for LGBT soldiers so much as it is a victory for LGB soldiers. There's still military stuff that discriminates against trans folk.

That said, this is still a victory and I'm glad it's been won. Let's move forward and go after DOMA next.

BitVyper

09-20-2011 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants (Post 1155798)

Don't you remember learning about the War of 1798 when The Devourer of Souls attacked? I thought everyone knew that time travelling US Rangers saved the world. What are they teaching in history classes these days...

Aerozord

09-20-2011 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liz (Post 1155799)

Just throwing this out their, but this isn't a victory for LGBT soldiers so much as it is a victory for LGB soldiers. There's still military stuff that discriminates against trans folk.

how so exactly?

Krylo

09-20-2011 07:01 PM

It's not like civvie life where you can just walk into the other bathroom whenever.

Gendered uniforms, bathrooms, and barracks, just off the top of my head.

Aerozord

09-20-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Krylo (Post 1155819)

Gendered uniforms, bathrooms, and barracks, just off the top of my head.

isn't that less a military thing and more a societal though?

Krylo

09-20-2011 07:17 PM

No.

In non-military life you don't live in a barracks for your (biological) gender. You don't wear a gendered uniform dictated by your job (though there may be a dress code, you can simply wear the one for the gender you identify with, in the military you can't). You can use whichever restroom you like, as opposed to being restricted to the one in your barracks that is for your biological gender, as opposed to your mental gender.

Aerozord

09-20-2011 07:26 PM

does make more sense for military to be unisex. Last time I checked crushing your individuality is kind of the point of basic training

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