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[Good News] Muslim neighbors save 91-year Jewish bakery from going out of business

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New York (CNN) -- Two Pakistani Muslims in Brooklyn are now running the oldest bialy store in the city, and keeping it kosher.
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Zafaryab Ali and his business partner, Peerada Shah, were shocked on hearing through a friend that Coney Island Bialys and Bagels was closing. Ali had worked at the store for 10 years in the 1990s and remembers it always being crowded, with lines out the door and people waiting up to half an hour for fresh bialys. So Ali and Shah bought the store to keep the 91-year business alive.
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"I know bagels and my partner knows management," Ali said. "If we work hard and pay attention, we'll build up and bring more customers in."

Ali and Shah are keeping everything the same -- ingredients, equipment, recipes -- all used when it was a kosher store under Jewish management. Ali is now on the hunt for a rabbi to come and give the store an official kosher certification.
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According to the bakery's website, Coney Island Bialys Bakers Co. was started in 1920 by Morris Rosenzweig, who brought the bialy recipe with him from Poland. The family continued to make hand-rolled, traditional bialys for 91 years. The business passed to Rosenzweig's son Don and then to his son, Steve Ross, who began wholesaling the bialys as well, shipping them across the country. Then in August, Steve Ross decided to close.
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"My son was going to take over, but with the area changing and business slowing down and the economy doing a double take on the recession, it wasn't worth keeping at that point," Ross said.
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Ali and Shah reopened shop In mid-September, and say that business has been going well.
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Ross is glad to see his family's store living on.
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"I've got no problem whether they're black, white, purple, green, yellow. They came in, wanted to keep the business open and wanted to keep the industry going. ... I'm glad it's still there. I'm happy."

I figured this section could use a happy news story for a change. It's good to see people making a commitment to helping one another out while respecting the businesses' existing traditions. I hope business keeps going well for them.

Note to self: get bagels tomorrow.

Did he share the secret bialy recipe with them?

Also it would be difficult for Muslims to not keep things kosher, since they, y'know, practice kosher from what I can tell, har har.

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Originally Posted by Magus (Post 1165886)

Also it would be difficult for Muslims to not keep things kosher, since they, y'know, practice kosher from what I can tell, har har.

I think the implication is that they're specifically doing their best to stick to the Jewish guidelines even though the Islamic guidelines might be different in some areas. Hence wanting the rabbi to come in and make sure they're doing things right.

Wait, you mean to tell me muslims aren'tall fundamentalist suicide bombers and jews aren't all genocidal war criminals?
Preposterous!

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Originally Posted by Magus (Post 1165886)

Also it would be difficult for Muslims to not keep things kosher, since they, y'know, practice kosher from what I can tell, har har.

Islamic tradition of Halal is different from the Jewish concept of Kashrut [or Kosher]; But in Surah 5:5 of the Quran, it lists plainly, "The food of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] is lawful for you as your food is lawful for them." So Islamic traditions that follow the Quran state plainly that "If it's Kosher, it's also good enough for you to eat."

Since this is a bakery, their dietary laws overlap perfectly; if this place sold meat or dairy products, that would be a different story.

I wonder how long before someone uses this as an example of "muslims taking over!!!".

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Originally Posted by Osterbaum (Post 1165917)

I wonder how long before someone uses this as an example of "muslims taking over!!!".

Today at 8:50 a.m. EST, apparently, Osterbaum, since you pointed it out. Tsk tsk!

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Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Since this is a bakery, their dietary laws overlap perfectly; if this place sold meat or dairy products, that would be a different story.

They must be able to mix meat and dairy products, then, like eat a cheeseburger, which isn't kosher?

EDIT: Man, they're even eating some shellfish in various Muslim denominations. That's about as kosher as pork.

A Cheeseburger, if slaughtered properly and handled appropriately, can be Halal; it cannot be considered Kashrut.

I'm unclear why you're wording is so antagonistic.

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Today at 8:50 a.m. EST, apparently, Osterbaum, since you pointed it out. Tsk tsk!

Shit.

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Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris (Post 1165965)

A Cheeseburger, if slaughtered properly and handled appropriately, can be Halal; it can be considered Kashrut.

I'm unclear why you're wording is so antagonistic.

Huh? I'm not being antagonistic, more that I was realizing there are some pretty clear differences, when most Muslims can eat at least some types of shellfish, which are strictly forbidden under kosher. So I was agreeing that yeah, there are some super major differences.

And how can a cheeseburger ever be kosher? Under kosher they cannot mix meat and cheese in the same dish, whereas under Halal they can apparently.

If I'm antagonistic it's toward news programming which has pretty clearly missed the boat on the differences between Halal and Kashrut since they have continually tried to group them together like they're the same thing when there are some massive differences. They misinformed me, and I don't like it.