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Military Authorization Act

I can't say anything to this. Read what I have quoted, come to your own conclusions...

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The Military Authorization Act has come to Obama's doorstep.

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Policymaking in the fog of war can lead to regrettable choices. One need only consider the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II or passage of the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. Ten years ago, in the anxious days after the attacks of 9/11, we witnessed a rush to implement policies like the PATRIOT Act that sacrificed individual liberty for promises of greater security. Future generations may well judge these tradeoffs with some understanding because of the wartime cauldron in which they were made.

But what will we say to future generations if the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 (NDAA) becomes law? That legislation contains a provision that authorizes the president to indefinitely imprison, without a criminal charge or court hearing, any suspected terrorist who is captured within the United States -- including American citizens.

It is difficult to imagine a greater attack on one of the most basic of individual freedoms protected by our great Constitution. As Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in his dissenting opinion in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (2004), "The very core of liberty secured by our Anglo-Saxon system of separated powers has been freedom from indefinite imprisonment at the will of the Executive."

The terrorists have won...

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To Ret. Adm. John Hutson, who was Judge Advocate General of the Navy from 1997 to 2000 and is dean emeritus of the University of New Hampshire School of Law, the idea that the United States is chipping away at one of its fundamental principles of civilian law enforcement is a win for terrorists.

"The enemy is just laughing over this, because they will have gotten another victory," Hutson told The Huffington Post. "There'll be one more victory. There won't be any bloodshed or immediate bloodshed, there's not a big explosion, except in a metaphorical sense, but it is a victory nonetheless for the enemy. And it's a self-inflicted wound."

Proponents of the measure, including the top members of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.), see it very differently -- as a commonsense step to give the military the legal authority it needs to fight the unconventional war on terrorism without treating would-be attackers as common criminals.

"There's a fundamental principle in that we don't want to criminalize a national security issue," McCain told reporters on Capitol Hill last week. "Any enemy combatant is an enemy combatant," he added, specifying that it does not make a difference under the bill if the suspect is an American citizen, except that the military has the choice of releasing citizens to law enforcement.

....Are they TRYING to incite riots?

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Originally Posted by Kerensky287 (Post 1174025)

....Are they TRYING to incite riots?

Once they shoot and imprison all the people who resist, they'll be left with only the Best Citizens

This is bad and all, but

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The terrorists have won...

I don't know, it kind of seems much more likely that the terrorits don't give a shit.

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Originally Posted by Osterbaum (Post 1174046)

I don't know, it kind of seems much more likely that the terrorits don't give a shit.

The terrorist's plans were never to kill that many Americans. It was to turn the government into one that hated its own people. This is how they win. By turning our economic prosperity into a cold paranoia of the person with a different religion. They have forced our airports to employ security theater for safety.

We have turned more into a police state. We have protests that don't stop the politicians from supporting bad legislation such as this, and people are afraid of their government and the militarized police.

They didn't beat us physically, they beat us economically and spiritually.

This is, literally, the first thing that came to my mind

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Originally Posted by Jagos (Post 1174058)

But, Jagos, if we don't let the Terrorists Win..The Terrorists Win!

Wow, I see this after watching "AKA Tommy Chong." The whole thing about 'the sale of drug paraphernalia helps the terrorists' and how much bullshit I think it is, but that's an entirely different issue. Should this bill pass? I'll go rioting if I have to.

As much as I've stood on the sidelines for the other shit that has been happening, this is one thing I cannot stand for. I agree with Jagos, this country is turning into a police state. At that point, they can find any reason to just... hold you without an actual reason for as long as they want. It's incredibly sickening to just read this. Love how they try to think of new ways to mock the very foundation upon which this nation was built.

Not that I really stick for long in these threads, the only reason I think I'll stay out of this thread is because... well... I don't think I could contribute a non-emotional post.

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They didn't beat us physically, they beat us economically and spiritually.

My point is that I don't really think members of terrorist organizations really care THAT much about US domestic politics. Their opposition usually arises from US foreign policies, past or present, and domestic policy is only of an interest to them as far as it affects foreign policy which affects them. The whole phrase "the terrorists have won" to me seems like a pretty populist statement to throw around, especially since sort of carries with it the feeling of "The terrorists hate us because of our freedom and liberty and awesomeness" which I don't think is the terrorists motive at all.

e: So if anyone here beat anyone it was your country who beat itself, if that makes any sense.

This is how the terrorists won.

Err, can you possibly sum it up in writing for me? I'm hearing impaired and the caption provided is all sorts of gobbly-gooks like "president bomb objective goblets...".

From what I can grasp though, the worst case scenario has occurred.