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Shyria Dracnoir 02-18-2012 12:53 AM

(Brain) Breaking News - Dick Cheney Tells Maryland GOP: Vote For Same-Sex Marriage
 
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Originally Posted by New Civil Rights Movement February 17, 2012
Former Vice President Dick Cheney has reportedly been lobbying behind the scenes for a Maryland same-sex marriage equality bill that is being debated this afternoon. Cheney, who still has pull within the GOP, has a lesbian daughter. He and his wife have spoken publicly in recent years about their daughter and her family on TV talk shows.

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Buried in Annie Linskey’s Baltimore Sun story today about GOP Maryland Delegate Wade Kach coming out in support of marriage equality is this little tidbit:

[Kach] also became the target of a last-minute lobby effort, and said his voice mail was full of messages from important people, including Mehlman, Bloomberg and an offer to talk with former Vice President Dick Cheney, whom Kach regards as a “great man.” All three are recognized for their support of gay rights issues.

Dick Cheney is personally lobbying on behalf of gay marriage? Really?

That’s freaking huge.

And apparently this isn't entirely recent news


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Originally Posted by The Washington Post circa June 2009
Former vice president Richard Cheney waded into another simmering public debate today, suggesting he supports legalizing gay marriage as long as the issue is decided by the states rather than the federal government.

Cheney, whose youngest daughter is a lesbian with a longtime partner, said during an appearance at the National Press Club that "people ought to be free to enter into any kind of union they wish, any kind of arrangement they wish."

He said he does not support federal action allowing gay marriages, however. "Historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level," Cheney said. "It has always been a state issue and I think that is the way it ought to be handled, on a state-by-state basis."

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Originally Posted by The Same
Cheney has long departed from conservative orthodoxy on the issue of gay marriage, saying during the 2000 presidential campaign that the matter should be left to the states. He also prompted an uproar during the 2004 race when he appeared to distance himself from a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, which was strongly supported by his boss, George W. Bush.

But his endorsement of state-sanctioned marriage for gays and lesbians appears to put him to the left of President Obama, who has said he supports civil unions rather than marriage for same-sex couples.

"With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone," Cheney said at a 2004 campaign stop in Davenport, Iowa, using language nearly identical to his remarks today. "People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to."

I'm shocked that there hasn't been mentioned more frequently given Cheney's divisive status and the issue itself. Not that it excuses anything about the rest of his beliefs or decisions, but it does reaffirm my suspicion that humanity can be really fucking complicated at times.

CABAL49 02-18-2012 09:44 AM

He is still a sack of shit though.

shiney 02-18-2012 02:27 PM

He is a total sack of crap but gay marriage may be the one area that he is redeeming himself. He'll only burn in hell for 7 millenia, instead of 8.

Aerozord 02-18-2012 03:12 PM

Honestly Cheney was the one that made me realize that who is president didn't really matter as much as what party has an official in office. To me it was always clear Cheney supported homosexual rights, and while we are at it before the elections he also said that going to war with Iraq would be profoundly stupid, but his party disagreed thus he had to support positions he personally didn't agree with.

Not to change the subject but I suspect quite a few of Obama's sudden policy changes between being elected and in office had less to do with him lying or changing his mind and more to do with Democrats not going along with them.

Jagos 02-18-2012 03:31 PM

No... It took Democrats 3 years to figure out that fighting Republicans on issues gives more results than getting walked on.

Magus 02-20-2012 01:19 AM

The thing with Dick Cheney is it's only because it affects his own personal life. So many people go around oppressing other people and then bam, suddenly it affects them and they're like "Oh, maybe I was totally wrong about this." Some people are like "Man, these bums should get a job and quit living off the governmetn dime", and then they lose their job. Or they're like "Hey, these drug addicts should be locked up for life!" Then their kid gets addicted to something.

If Dick Cheney's daughter wasn't gay I can't really believe he would be tolerant of gay people. I don't seem him being tolerant in other positions/beliefs/lifestyles that are out there.

Aerozord 02-20-2012 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Magus (Post 1185240)
The thing with Dick Cheney is it's only because it affects his own personal life. So many people go around oppressing other people and then bam, suddenly it affects them and they're like "Oh, maybe I was totally wrong about this." Some people are like "Man, these bums should get a job and quit living off the governmetn dime", and then they lose their job. Or they're like "Hey, these drug addicts should be locked up for life!" Then their kid gets addicted to something.

If Dick Cheney's daughter wasn't gay I can't really believe he would be tolerant of gay people. I don't seem him being tolerant in other positions/beliefs/lifestyles that are out there.

I am not a fan of this sentiment. When you get right down to it this is normal. Out of sight out of mind. I mean how many of us are accessing this forum from devices manufactured in overseas sweatshops.

The man realizes persecuting homosexuals is wrong and regardless of why he thinks that it is a positive that he does. We shouldn't act high and mighty and dismissive simply because his realization was achieved differently.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche 02-20-2012 10:18 AM

I'm not sure how pointing out that Cheney is a terrible person for a myriad of other things he did, does or probably plans to do in spite of this one good thing he's doing is acting high and mighty. I don't think Magus implied it was necessarily a bad thing, he even said it's something many people do.

It's that in the case of Cheney specifically, he isn't just ignoring a problem until its affects him, like so many do with the damn near slavery that happens in China. He actively helped to bring suffering to untold numbers of people in a number of ways. That he supports same-sex marriage doesn't change the things he did or make him any better of a person.

Magus 02-20-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aerozord (Post 1185250)
I am not a fan of this sentiment. When you get right down to it this is normal. Out of sight out of mind. I mean how many of us are accessing this forum from devices manufactured in overseas sweatshops.

The man realizes persecuting homosexuals is wrong and regardless of why he thinks that it is a positive that he does. We shouldn't act high and mighty and dismissive simply because his realization was achieved differently.

I pointed out that many people's moral compasses work this way. I don't really think of it as being particularly positive because it exposes an incredibly shallow way of thinking about the world that appears to be deeply ingrained into a big swath of the human race.

As soon as Dick Cheney quits espousing torture I will give him a break. Unfortunately, it would probably take him or a loved one getting tortured for him to reach the "epiphany" that torture is wrong.

Aerozord 02-20-2012 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus (Post 1185289)
I pointed out that many people's moral compasses work this way. I don't really think of it as being particularly positive because it exposes an incredibly shallow way of thinking about the world that appears to be deeply ingrained into a big swath of the human race.

because its still how most people are. Its not about right or wrong its about what society deems as so. Racism used to be the commonly held belief. What do you think humans have just become less evil over time? No, most people just simply accept the mores of a culture without any level of self-realization.


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