Lets talk about catsuits and anime hair! :D
 

Okay so after recovering from my usual personal issues (it all happend offline too which was fantastic! :D ) I've been brain storming on how to address the more current issue with some of my characters cloths and of course the hair problem that springs up often.

And while mental sketching out every possible idea for the hair and cloths I've reached a stomp. So I gave up and then suddenly, while mooping through my gallaries, it hit me. The reason why the hair problem continues to exist in my artwork and also why anime style is generally not well liked.

Its because I'm trying too much to retain the original anime hair shape of this characters that the stiff hair problem continues to exist. As much as I hate to admit it. Quite a few of my characters hair design just aren't practical and that might be why fixing this problem has yeild less then great results. Somewhat on the right track with the detail and textureing though... maybe... not entirely sure.


So if I'm to correct the problem I need to leave behind something I've been trying not to leave behind. That anime hair style I love so much. I won't like but it needs to be done. I don't have a much of a choice from the looks of it. (Mischief Knights as it is now is litterally terrible. Better arts may help make it less terrible.)

Same story with the tight clothing. I recently discovered that there is no way to actually do tight clothing right. It's just something that just does not work no matter how you draw it. The only right option is to just not do it.

I've researched all over the net (main tvtropes and a few other forums) and that seems to be the case when it comes to skin tight cloths.

Which puts me at a tough choice...

Sorry guys but the tight clothing is going to stay. I'll balance it out but I'm not getting rid of it. That's another design limit that I just don't won't to place on my self. Beside they are anthro cartoon/anime characters with magick powahs and super science and VampireCatgirlKnightWitches and shapesifting bee people and giant freaking worms! This webnovel/comic breaths impossible BullShit! XD (Ah I remembered why it was always funny to me)

So am I right? or Am I spewing bullshit again cause that's been happening alittle too often lately.

And hey while we're at it lets discuss a bit about the subject. After all this section could use more activity.

Listening to feedback is a good thing.

And what does that have to do with the tight clothing? Or do you want said tight clothing to be your style's defining quirk?

Naw as I said before It'll be limited to stuff like Sarina's Blade Style form and the Destroy Mage outfits (tights, hot pants, and skin suits). For everything else, it'll be fixed. I'm just not going to completely through it out the window since I'd like to retain some design freedom since again they're cartoons not real people.

Honestly even now I'm still not completely seeing what I'm doing wrong with the girl's jeans since womens jeans are that tight. I'll probably ditch the tight jeans all together but again not really seeing what I'm getting wrong with them in comparsion to real women's jeans.

In which Loyal is suddenly an expert tailor.
 

The problem, in this specific issue, is twofold:

1) Tight clothes do not necessarily equal perfectly form-fitting clothes. Since your girls seem to be mostly action-oriented I would append "should not" to that as well. People need to be able to move around in their clothes; there's a reason, in most works, why people who fight regularly are often seen in loose, bulky, or otherwise comfortable clothes when they aren't in armor which itself is going to be large and designed for a reasonable degree of flexibility.

A certain amount of extra space is necessary around the areas that curve and bend, or move a lot, like the waist and limb joints. In most of your drawings it looks like the clothes were tailored specifically to fit the exact pose shown. From what I can see, most of the clothing your girls wear would, depending on their pose, either be hiked up halfway to their knees/elbows when they bent, or sagged down when they straightened. And I can't even imagine what kind of chafing and discomfort they might experience between the tightness and their fur.

(2) Your clothes still have very little depth to them. It's a little better than it used to be, but it's clear you're still just adding lines to their body to make clothes and cheating depth by tapering the edge of the article of clothing out a bit.

Also, this did not need to be its own thread. It's clearly a surrogate for more discussion on your own work.

Meh I tryed to get a discussion going on that issue and make it more of a general art thing but I failed horriblly and ended up highjacking the thread by accident (by that I mean it wasn't intended to go this way).

I kind of think it was worth the try though. Anyway thanks for the explaination, now I see what I did wrong with those designs.

And now for my failure to create a gerenal art discussion on tight cloths, I must go and perform the "Dance of Shame"!

I will redirect you to this post.

If you do layers of clothing, follow that advice.

Have ever drawn an actual page of this comic? Because all I've ever seen you post is pin-ups and you don't make a comic out of a series of pin-ups.

Maybe if you drew a couple pages of sequential art and posted them here we'd get an actual feel for what you're trying to do. And believe me, if you're still having problems with character design then you're going to spend even longer on the sequential stuff so you should start working on it ASAP.

I can only assume Kyanbu wants to try a light novel, so there's not all that much to actually draw.

There are certainly ways to draw tight clothing right, especially considering that it's done quite often, and it's something that happens in real life. Learning how to draw is learning how to see, as some professors have told me.

I haven't read the entirety of the discussion but here's some 2 cents about drawing clothes, tight or otherwise:

Clothes have thickness, regardless of tight they are, and denim is an especially thick material. Your character's silhouette while wearing clothes should not be the same as their silhouette while they're naked.

Clothes will bunch and gather in places where there's movement. As far as jeans go, there are many different types of jeans and how they are cut. Most pants will be looser on the bottom because people wear shoes/boots. There are specific kinds of jeans that are meant to go under the boot, but even then, the fabric will usually bunch where the jeans meet the boot.

Reference! For the love of god references are the bread and butter of drawing something you don't understand.

And honestly, looking up pictures of women in tight clothes shouldn't be too much of a hassle.

Note that Laughing Octopus (the last character) is pretty much wearing as skin-tight of clothes as possible and there's still folds and places where the fabric gathers (though there are some problems with looking at the silhouette of an in-game model because of the nature of how bumps are often made, BUT ANYWAY that's not important)

Having just googled what a light novel is, that would make sense.