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TheZeroMan 11-25-2003 04:57 PM

Now for something Completely different.
 
Me and a friend of mine have been getting into a few fairly heated arguments lately. Heated because they are about topics that really have no relavence to anything. And I don't know about you but I argue about nothing vehemently.

Anyway In a tempt to share our moral conundrums(sp?) with the larger electronic world I will post the basic core of our debate here, in hope that hilarity ensues.

who would win the following fights?

The Predator vs a Zombie

The Starship Enterprise(next Generation) vs. A Star Destroyer

And the Magic/Kareem/Worthy/AC Green Lakers vs the Shaq/Kobe/Malone/ Payton Lakers

debate now or don't...

HRslammR 11-25-2003 05:05 PM

predator (who's even kidding when they even think a zombie can beat it?)

enterprise (one word. shields.) plus manuverability

magic/kareem

Drooling Iguana 11-25-2003 05:09 PM

The Predator has guns, zombies don't. Really, when it comes down to it, zombies are kinda pathetic, and only tend to be any kind of threat at all due to their large numbers.

An ISD would utterly annihlate a Galaxy Class Starship. For an in-depth explanation as to exactly why and how, see StarDestroyer.net.

Don't know enough about basketball to answer that last question.

HRslammR 11-25-2003 05:30 PM

ok that case...

star trek universe vs star wars universe?

star trek > star wars.

here's why:

borg, romulan, klingon. all war culturues. and again the star wars ships don't have shields. don't even get me started on the photon torpedos.

;)

Neverwhere 11-25-2003 05:33 PM

One word for the Star Trek vs Star Wars ... BORG not to mention the most ingenious captain ever a Cpt. Jean Luc Picard

Drooling Iguana 11-25-2003 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HRslammR
ok that case...

star trek universe vs star wars universe?

star trek > star wars.

here's why:

borg, romulan, klingon. all war culturues. and again the star wars ships don't have shields. don't even get me started on the photon torpedos.

;)

All pathetic "war" cultures, judging by what we saw in the episodes/movies (having a battle strategy that consists solely of walking very slowly toward your enemy; allowing unidentified, bomb-like objects into Senate meetings; assaulting a space station defended by troops with particle beams while you yourself are only armed with an incredibly impractical sword-like weapon.) And if you think that Star Wars ships don't have shields, then you've obviously never seen any of the Star Wars movies, since they're constantly being mentioned. And photon torpedoes are significantly less powerful than a single Heavy Turbolaser shot.
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Originally Posted by Neverwhere
One word for the Star Trek vs Star Wars ... BORG not to mention the most ingenious captain ever a Cpt. Jean Luc Picard

Borg, you mean those guys who never carry weapons, never move at anything faster than a slow march, demonstrate absolutely nothing in the way of tactics, and whose sole defence mechanism consists of a shield that's useless against anything other than Star Trek technobabble weapons? The blasters used by the Empire are plasma-based. Plasma, as in the stuff that annihlated all the Borg on the Enterprise at the end of First Contact. The Borg would stand absolutely no chance against the Empire. Hell, in a ground fight, the Borg would stand absolutely no chance against any reasonably well-equipped 20th century military force.

And don't even get me started on Captain "Since We're In A Time Loop That We Know Will Result In The Destruction Of Our Ship, Let's Behave Exactly The Same As We Would Have All The Other Times We Died, Instead Of Actually Changing Course To Avoid Whatever Killed Us All Those Other Times" Picard.

Neverwhere 11-25-2003 07:21 PM

What? No way. Borg shields repel any sort of non-melee attack after a few times. Projectiles included. That means those pussy assed energy weapons the Empire uses. After a few of them were taken out, the Borg would adapt, and walk all over the Empire.

Drooling Iguana 11-25-2003 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Neverwhere
What? No way. Borg shields repel any sort of non-melee attack after a few times. Projectiles included. That means those pussy assed energy weapons the Empire uses. After a few of them were taken out, the Borg would adapt, and walk all over the Empire.

When have the Borg ever shown an ability to adapt to anything other than a Star Trek technobabble weapon? They adapt to the weapon's frequency, which, while useful in defending against a phase-coherant weapon like a phaser, would be absolutely useless against a plasma bolt. And even if they could adapt to plasma, what makes you think that they would be able to adapt to the level of power put out by the weaponry shown in the Star Wars movies, in which a small pistol was able to blow man-sized chunks out of concrete walls, and where a portable, tripod-mounted cannon can puncture a starship's hull?

Krylo 11-25-2003 07:39 PM

Well... on the basis of Enterprise Vrs ISD... I'm going to go with the Enterprise, but not on basis of technology. Simply on the basis that the ISD is piloted by imperial 'bad guys' and the Enterprise is piloted by federation 'good guys,' whether Kirk's or Picard's crew. Of course... removing how much the crew would tilt the scales... the ISD would blow the hell out of the Enterprise.

As for the Borg vrs. an ISD... it depends if there is only one Borg ship or many. The first cube ship would be blasted to scrap by the ISD, but the Borg would quickly adjust to the weaponry and stop being damaged by it. Remember, that is the Borg's main ability... that they can evolve to gain immunity to any weapon once exposed to it. The only exceptions are projectile weapons (Which is why in one episode or a movie or something of STNG Picard lured a Borg into a holodeck with the safety shut off, and shot the hell out of it with an uzi). So, yes, a 20th century force would waste the Borg... but a 20th century soldier with a shotgun would waste a jedi as well.

Note: It's also not Borg 'shields' but Borg energy dispersal technology, if memory serves. Which is to say, any kind of 'energy' weapon would be adapted to. As the above snippet shows... they never really adapt to projectiles, because of the way their adaptation works... of course, they probably would eventually, after assimilating a few members of a race which uses projectiles, and learn how to protect against them.

Drooling Iguana 11-25-2003 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by krylo
As for the Borg vrs. an ISD... it depends if there is only one Borg ship or many. The first cube ship would be blasted to scrap by the ISD, but the Borg would quickly adjust to the weaponry and stop being damaged by it. Remember, that is the Borg's main ability... that they can evolve to gain immunity to any weapon once exposed to it. The only exceptions are projectile weapons (Which is why in one episode or a movie or something of STNG Picard lured a Borg into a holodeck with the safety shut off, and shot the hell out of it with an uzi). So, yes, a 20th century force would waste the Borg... but a 20th century soldier with a shotgun would waste a jedi as well.

The Borg cube from First Contact didn't seem to adapt very well to the phasers and quantum torpedoes that it was being pummeled with by Starfleet and, as I've said before, an ISD's weapons are a helluva lot more powerful than Starfleet phasers and quantum torpedoes. And Jedi have precognition and telekenetic abilities. Remember at the end of The Matrix when Neo stopped the bullets that were being fired at him? The same thing would happen if you fired a shotgun at a Jedi, except that the Jedi wouldn't just let the pellets fall to the ground after he'd stopped them. He'd fling them back at you.
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Note: It's also not Borg 'shields' but Borg energy dispersal technology, if memory serves. Which is to say, any kind of 'energy' weapon would be adapted to. As the above snippet shows... they never really adapt to projectiles, because of the way their adaptation works... of course, they probably would eventually, after assimilating a few members of a race which uses projectiles, and learn how to protect against them.
So, do you have any examples of the Borg "adapting" to having superheated gasses shot at them? As I said before, Borg shielding adapts to weapon frequencies, which is why the Feds quickly learned to set their phasers to constantly change frequencies when they faced them. They're useless when it comes to deflecting actual physical objects, and a blaster shot is an actual physical object.


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