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Domestibot 09-03-2012 09:21 PM

^ I agree with the above poster, Kit looks really awesome. However, I think I'm a bigger fan of the old Liz. The Dark Circles under her eyes fit much better, in my opinion, the old style, and I find her face too rough and angular now. I think you could comfortably find some medium between the two, after all, Boozloaf hardly changed at all, and Kit seems to have also kind of changed somewhat since you started the new style, to some kind of hybrid between the two.

It's not really a gripe or complaint, and we haven't seen Liz in awhile anyway... more just thinking out loud.

rpgdemon 09-03-2012 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1210313)
I need to draw faster, dangit.

I had a dream that I was reading a comic, but I couldn't read anything until I drew it. That was pretty rough.

Masterof7s 09-03-2012 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1210287)
Yes. Yes she is. :D

Any chance of seeing a jacketless Jeanne? Buff gals with strong shoulders and a wide back are a major turn-on for me. I dig the whole woman of iron thing.

MSperoni 09-04-2012 09:38 AM

I'm keen on athletic women too, and yes, Jeanne will take her coat off :)

Doctroid 09-04-2012 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1210283)
Page 149!

Kit...changes her mind?

Or...is it something else?

Maybe she thinks... mere bullets aren't good enough for Jeanne? Not when Kit has THE DREADFUL?

Quote:

This week we're doing three pages! Monday, Wednesday, and Friday!
BEST WEEK EVAR.

Masterof7s 09-04-2012 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1210336)
I'm keen on athletic women too, and yes, Jeanne will take her coat off :)

Sweet.:D

MSperoni 09-05-2012 09:26 AM

Page 150!

It's about to get real...

Doctroid 09-05-2012 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1210313)
More details regarding the zombies n' stuff will come to light relatively soon. :)

I plan to get a bit more into them in Chapter 7. I feel I've kinda let that plot thread hang too much. I also need to get back to Liz, and ... there's just a LOT of stuff!

I need to draw faster, dangit.

You know what The Dreadful needs to get back to? The Dreadful!

It's been a long time since the one time we've seen it, or even heard about it, and there are WAY too many unanswered questions about it. What does it really do? Where did it come from? How did Kit get it? Can anyone else possess it? Can anyone else use it? Are there more like it?

Gitman 09-05-2012 09:47 AM

So Jeanne not only heard the click, but was able to tell by the sound that Kit was decocking the gun rather than cocking it. Impressive. I can only imagine how she knew it was Kit to begin with.

Also, Kit needs to work on her bargaining skills. "As soon as you give me what I want, I'm going to kill you" isn't much of an incentive.

EDIT: A nitpick on the artwork too - Kit seems to be missing a face stripe in the final panel.

MSperoni 09-05-2012 09:50 AM

Jeanne is...very unique.

Let's just say she has a very heightened sense of awareness.

BigDemonicBunny 09-05-2012 10:52 AM

I've noticed it before that Jeanne rides bareback (something which can make you quite raw unless you're a very skilled rider. Or extraordinarily tough.
But I only just now noticed that Jeanne isn't carrying a gun. And never has in any of the frames.
So unless she can fetch a gun from hammerspace, exactly how badass do you have to be to figure that you can handle crazy gunmen, treacherous lieutenants and all sort of people with only your own natural abilities?
I'm guessing either:
1. Magic guns, or gunlike magic.
2. She's some sort of shapeshifter. Werewolf or Ogre or something else with some sort of battle form.
3. She's just that tough. Regeneration, Imperviousness or just great physical strength in combination the ability to survive wounds that would kill an elephant.
4. Combination of the previously mentioned stuff.

MSperoni 09-05-2012 11:00 AM

Originally I drew Jeanne riding her horse with reins, and I drew her with a rifle, but I've changed my mind. I guess I didn't plan it out well enough. Luckily I only drew her that way for a couple of pages.

I can't say exactly which numbers are correct in your theory, but, it's good that you noticed Jeanne isn't carrying a gun. I wondered when someone would point that out :D

Krylo 09-05-2012 04:03 PM

The world is her gun.

And she is the bullet.

Masterof7s 09-05-2012 08:54 PM

I know the height difference between Kit and Jeanne is more pronounced because of the incline of the hill, but how tall is Jeanne?

MSperoni 09-05-2012 09:11 PM

Well, the TVtropes peeps figure around 5'10" since I said Kit is around 5 feet tall.

I only have rough estimates about how tall everyone is. Like, I figure Jeanne is *around* six feet, give or take a few inches. 5'10" is close enough if that's how tall you wanna think she is.

Maybe one day I will work on getting more exact measurements, for now it's good enough for me that Jeanne is a lot bigger than Kit.

epcharles 09-05-2012 09:27 PM

I had assumed that Jeanne was at the stage of her career where you didn't need to carry a gun anymore... even in the old west. I don't recall seeing the elder Vito Corleone carrying a gun either. Everyone just seemed to assume he could kill them whenever he felt like it, because, you know, he could.

Also, really really like the expressions in the closeup of kits face this page.

P.S. Yeah, what Gitman said, but the expression is still great.
.

MSperoni 09-05-2012 09:35 PM

It's kinda weird how often I forget to draw minor things. Like, I forget to draw Kit's face stripes more than it seems (I usually just always catch it at the last minute).

Another thing I sometimes will forget to draw is her tail.

Domestibot 09-06-2012 01:27 PM

I always kind of assumed the Dreadful had something to do with Kit's father. It was only a passing exchange between Kit and Liz, but it was something to the effect of

KIT: "I hate Wizards and the shit they make."

LIZ: "Wasn't your daddy a wizard?"

KIT:"Shut up!"

^ However comical and fluid those lines flowed, to me it seems there must be some kind of story behind it, and the Dreadful SEEMS to be magical and unique to Kit, so my money is on her father crafted it into her soul or something and she resents him for it.

MSperoni 09-06-2012 01:40 PM

Well, I'm not gonna confirm or deny anything regarding that, but it's nice to see how close you're paying attention :)

Masterof7s 09-06-2012 05:27 PM

Yeah, I did a reread from the beginning and realized that a great deal of the fear that people have surrounding Jeanne comes from her physical strength and unflinchingly brutal nature.

I mean tearing a guy's arms off and feeding them to him? Tearing off a troll's penis (ouch) and strangling him with it? Apparently Jeanne is a wookie, and yet Kit doesn't fear her.

MSperoni 09-06-2012 05:55 PM

The whole "cutting your dick off and ramming it down your throat" was an idea I stole from the Comanche Indians.

Not to say they were the only group of people who ever did that (I mean, scalping was done in ancient Europe), it's just I was reading "Empire of the Summer Moon" at the time and that was mentioned in it.

Needless to say it was something that stuck in my mind. Because: ouch.

Masterof7s 09-06-2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1210446)
Well, the TVtropes peeps figure around 5'10" since I said Kit is around 5 feet tall.

I only have rough estimates about how tall everyone is. Like, I figure Jeanne is *around* six feet, give or take a few inches. 5'10" is close enough if that's how tall you wanna think she is.

Maybe one day I will work on getting more exact measurements, for now it's good enough for me that Jeanne is a lot bigger than Kit.

5'10" puts her at around my height and given how muscular she is probably around my weight. (200-205 of mostly muscle). Definitely a big gal, though apparently wookie strong.

MSperoni 09-07-2012 10:23 AM

Page 151!

Jeanne kicks Kit's pride in the nuts.

rpgdemon 09-07-2012 10:31 AM

Just as a nitpickey thing, Kit's tail coming in from off panel made me think there was a weirdly placed text bubble down there.

epcharles 09-07-2012 01:16 PM

I like this! Two demure females. Not letting their pride get in the way of thing. Should end quietly, and without too much trouble.

MSperoni 09-07-2012 01:31 PM

Spoiler Alert: They hug and go their separate ways.

Masterof7s 09-09-2012 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1210519)
Spoiler Alert: They hug and go their separate ways.

Aww, man...

*puts popcorn away*

epcharles 09-09-2012 09:23 PM

I assume at some point Jeanne will explain to Kit that she wasn't so stupid as to think a shot in the back would kill... and so... if it was her, she clearly wasn't trying very hard to kill Kit. This whole "you tried to kill me but left me alive" thing ain't working outside of Kit-logic.

Also interesting that Kit thinks it will be easy to kill Jeanne... but I suppose we have no proof yet that the right shot at close range wouldn't do it.

BigDemonicBunny 09-10-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by epcharles (Post 1210590)
I assume at some point Jeanne will explain to Kit that she wasn't so stupid as to think a shot in the back would kill... and so... if it was her, she clearly wasn't trying very hard to kill Kit. This whole "you tried to kill me but left me alive" thing ain't working outside of Kit-logic.

Also interesting that Kit thinks it will be easy to kill Jeanne... but I suppose we have no proof yet that the right shot at close range wouldn't do it.

1. Well. It probably could have killed Kit if the bullets had been higher quality silver. So it all depends on if the shooter knew that the bullets were shoddy or not.
2. I'm fairly sure Kit isn't the best judge of who she's a match for. While she's won the fights so far....well, lets just say that "coming out unscathed from a fight" doesn't really seem to be Kits style.

As a sidenote. Kit/Jeanne showdown. FUCK. YES!

MSperoni 09-10-2012 10:25 AM

Page 152!

*plays showdown music*

(though in this case, one of the people in the showdown doesn't actually have a gun)

BigDemonicBunny 09-10-2012 11:14 AM

Holy fuck yes!

Domestibot 09-10-2012 10:48 PM

Yeah, it's interesting to me at this point Jeanne has neither confirmed or denied that she shot kit, or even had kit shot in the first place. Liz suggested POE of all people did it, but who knows if that's true.

Masterof7s 09-11-2012 12:27 AM

*squees like a little girl at the sight of Jeanne sans coat* Now that my friends is woman!

Ahem! Sorry bout that. Seriously though, Matt it's like you're in my head about the kind of woman I like. Womanly biceps, strong shoulders, legs like tree trunks, wide back, and is that a six-pack I see under her shirt....mmmmm, ahhhhh......pardon me I need to clean up the drool.

BigDemonicBunny 09-11-2012 02:21 AM

I'd just have to restate that I'm a huge fan of the way your drawing Jeanne. In fact, as far as woman powerhouse goes you've trumphed the vast majority of artists employed by Marvel (where most fail spectaculary at drawing a good She-Hulk).
Or DC for that matter.

MSperoni 09-11-2012 09:14 PM

Glad you like the way she looks.

What helps might be that I don't think Sports Illustrated Swimsuit models are the only way to draw women. Every main character has their own body type. Even Kit and Poe are different. They're twins, but Kit's had a more rigorous life and has exerted herself a lot more physically than Poe, and so she's a bit more muscular. Not like Jeanne, but Kit's anatomy has changed a lot since the Big Eagle Beer advert.

Gitman 09-12-2012 08:58 AM

The picture isn't loading for 153.

MSperoni 09-12-2012 12:17 PM

Page 153!

Building the tension!

Domestibot 09-12-2012 12:59 PM

Goddamn tension!

phil_ 09-12-2012 01:34 PM

Tension is the worst thing. I'm gonna write a bunch of bad reviews to lower tension's Metacritic score.

Gitman 09-12-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gitman (Post 1210662)
The picture isn't loading for 153.

Ah, there it is. I can't wait to see how Jeanne's going to outfight a bullet with fisticuffs. Because my trope-sense tells me there's no way Kit kills her this early in the story. :D

Doctroid 09-13-2012 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Gitman (Post 1210715)
Ah, there it is. I can't wait to see how Jeanne's going to outfight a bullet with fisticuffs. Because my trope-sense tells me there's no way Kit kills her this early in the story. :D

They're pretty close together, I doubt if Kit would get off more than one shot before Jeanne is on top of her. If Kit misses, or fails to fire, she's in big trouble. She'd have to be pretty flustered, though, to miss at this range, or to miss her chance to shoot. Jeanne does have her worked up, but I wouldn't think she'd count on it.

So maybe she knows something Kit doesn't know. Like she has a sniper positioned nearby, or she's got some anti-bullet magic, or something.

Odjn 09-13-2012 07:26 AM

This better not turn into How I Killed Your Ass.

edit: I cannot wait to see Jeanne's Bullshit Kung Fu. No sarcasm, really. Seriously!

Gitman 09-13-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Doctroid (Post 1210746)
They're pretty close together, I doubt if Kit would get off more than one shot before Jeanne is on top of her. If Kit misses, or fails to fire, she's in big trouble. She'd have to be pretty flustered, though, to miss at this range, or to miss her chance to shoot. Jeanne does have her worked up, but I wouldn't think she'd count on it.

So maybe she knows something Kit doesn't know. Like she has a sniper positioned nearby, or she's got some anti-bullet magic, or something.

In real life, at that range most self-defense instructors advise you to duck and swoop in to deflect the gun for the best chance to avoid being shot. But in real life, there aren't gunslingers who can shoot the thumbs off three gunmen and/or the hammer off their weapon before any of them gets a shot off. :D

BigDemonicBunny 09-14-2012 11:38 AM

Oh she's FAST.
Probably hits like a freighttrain too.

So basically a superlative Lightning Bruiser.

Doctroid 09-14-2012 01:03 PM

And of course Kit is all fresh and ready for a fight, having done nothing this morning but get kicked around by giant vampire zombies.

Spinell 09-14-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Doctroid (Post 1210834)
And of course Kit is all fresh and ready for a fight, having done nothing this morning but get kicked around by giant vampire zombies.

Yeah but it's Kit who thought she could take Jeanne and its not as bad for her as it would be for a human. She's supposed to regenerate faster than other pinkies (do the pinkies have another name?).

And we know how fast Kit is. Killed a guy with is own gun in midair. I guess she wanted to go for speed instead precision for Jeanne but apparently she is even faster.

Masterof7s 09-14-2012 02:30 PM

Yup, saw this comin'.

Woman doesn't carry a gun, is built like a damn tank, and has no fear of someone as skilled as Kit. It was kinda obvious those muscles weren't for show.

Still, Jeanne was on top of Kit so fast she broke the damn sound barrier! Holy fuck!

Domestibot 09-14-2012 02:59 PM

Something else I've noticed about Jeanne, she doesn't seem to have a western/southern accent, and she's very well-spoken. If you had to place her accent when you hear her speak in your head, Matt, what would it be?

Also, I know she's a ruthless killer, but She seemed cordial enough to offer Kit up a chance for escape, forgiving even the opportunity kit had to shoot her from behind. I'd say she's very honourable for someone of her reputation... she doesn't strike me as the type to have Kit shot in the manner that she was. Her remark to the accusation was more a "I see..." as in "I see, you think I had you shot." than a "I see, Yeah, that was me. Totally did it."

Krylo 09-14-2012 03:29 PM

As I said: Jeanne is the bullet.

MSperoni 09-14-2012 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Domestibot (Post 1210840)
Something else I've noticed about Jeanne, she doesn't seem to have a western/southern accent, and she's very well-spoken. If you had to place her accent when you hear her speak in your head, Matt, what would it be?

Jeanne is relatively sophisticated and her accent would be of a Southern variety, but with a far less twang than Kit's.

phil_ 09-14-2012 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spinell (Post 1210838)
(do the pinkies have another name?)

Devilkin. I even searched for a post by Peroni using the term, just to make sure I wasn't making it up.

Bard The 5th LW 09-15-2012 12:17 AM

Kit may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer (unless its a drawer of puns and bullets) but I'd assume she'd walk into this confrontation with -some- sort of trick or plan in mind. Its not as though she's unaware of what Jeanne is capable of!

Spinell 09-15-2012 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by phil_ (Post 1210860)
Devilkin. I even searched for a post by Peroni using the term, just to make sure I wasn't making it up.

Ah, thanks thats right, i read that before. Somehow i managed to forget. :(

MSperoni 09-15-2012 05:38 AM

It's "Devikin" and "Speroni" , actually , not "devilkin" and "Peroni" :D

But that's pretty close!

BigDemonicBunny 09-15-2012 07:43 AM

Wait, you mean the MSp doesn't stand for MS Paint? :P

phil_ 09-15-2012 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1210872)
It's "Devikin" and "Speroni" , actually , not "devilkin" and "Peroni" :D

But that's pretty close!

http://i.imgur.com/UvusK.jpg

I'm sorry.

epcharles 09-16-2012 10:10 AM

My guess is that Kit's "plan" was similar to her way of dealing with the vampire-zombie-transformer thingy: Take a beating, get the right shot in at the right moment, walk away.

Meanwhile, Jeanne's plan is something like: Give a beating, don't let Kit get a good shot, walk away.

While The Dreadful has been successfully surprising, I'm pretty sure they will both succeed at implementing Step 1 ;- )
.

Odjn 09-17-2012 07:25 AM

MSperoni: Kit ever see Jeanne do the Flash impression before?

MSperoni 09-17-2012 08:43 AM

I think it's safe to assume Kit has, since she has been in Jeanne's gang for awhile. I'm not 100% sure if the two have ever fought before, but I'd imagine Jeanne would've showed off her skills at least once in the course of their outlaw antics.

Doctroid 09-17-2012 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epcharles (Post 1210924)
My guess is that Kit's "plan" was similar to her way of dealing with the vampire-zombie-transformer thingy: Take a beating, get the right shot in at the right moment, walk away.

Meanwhile, Jeanne's plan is something like: Give a beating, don't let Kit get a good shot, walk away.

While The Dreadful has been successfully surprising, I'm pretty sure they will both succeed at implementing Step 1 ;- )
.

I wouldn't have believed it, but neither has accomplished Step 1 yet!

MSperoni 09-17-2012 09:41 AM

Page 155!

ACTION!

Kalbelgarion 09-17-2012 09:57 AM

And in all that action she didn't even lose her hat!

(It's a very fine hat)

MSperoni 09-17-2012 10:01 AM

It must be an anti-gravity hat.

Doctroid 09-17-2012 10:04 AM

That's what the horns are FOR.

MSperoni 09-17-2012 10:08 AM

I assumed Kalbelgarion meant Jeanne, actually.

Doctroid 09-17-2012 10:21 AM

Oh, well, she just uses body glue.

phil_ 09-17-2012 11:22 AM

So, I assume Kit knew that shooting Jeane in the leg wouldn't slow her down. 'Cause that first panel, man, clear shot right there.

SaltyKracka 09-17-2012 12:01 PM

Oh, Erin. You should know that superpowers are super by now.

Odjn 09-17-2012 12:45 PM

Interesting that Kit managed to dodge and got somewhat close to nailing Jeanne with that shot. I suppose that Jeanne is vulnerable to shootin' if she's bothering to dodge it.

Maybe now we know why Liz wanted Kit to back her up.

BigDemonicBunny 09-17-2012 01:22 PM

I'm guessing that Kit is pretty familiar with Jeannes abilities and tactics. Either that or she got a lot faster since she faced off against that super-zombie, because she managed to dodge Jeannes MUCH faster punch but not the slower zombie strike.

Or maybe jeanne should take the hint from the zombie and go for harder-to-dodge body strikes instead of trying to finish the fight in one-hit-crit punch (it's harder to move your center of gravity out of the way).

P.S: Nice ass display there in frame 1. :P

Bum Bill Bee 09-18-2012 04:11 PM

...Butt....Butt...Butt....

Masterof7s 09-19-2012 12:37 AM

Moves like lightning, probably hits like a two-ton freighter.

It one of those punches connects, Kit is gonna need more than her devikin healing factor.

Domestibot 09-19-2012 02:30 AM

Well, I don't feel like looking back to check, but didn't that zombie monster have some super long arm, or was that the Christmas Grunchy monster of doom? Might explain why Kit has an easier time dodging Jeanne thus far if it is the case.

Gitman 09-19-2012 01:26 PM

I can't quite tell what's going on in the last panel of 156. Nice job showcasing the speed of both parties, though.

MSperoni 09-19-2012 05:29 PM

She's cocking the hammer of her revolver.


Also, Page 156!

epcharles 09-19-2012 07:23 PM

Is it bad if, in the last frame of 155, I hear Erin talking an Dragon Ball Z voice?

"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa, How is she so faaaaaaaaaaaaast?"

<sound of scouter eye-piece being crushing>

"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"
.

epcharles 09-19-2012 07:25 PM

Oddly though, I note that it is the Fairy asking the question... right. (Still heard in Dragonball voice, but now higher pitch.)

MSperoni 09-19-2012 07:45 PM

Well, I've described this scene as Shonen-esque, and what is Shonen without someone yelling pointless comments from the sideline?

Krylo 09-19-2012 07:51 PM

I'm not even ashamed.
 
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Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1211076)
what is Shonen without someone yelling pointless comments from the sideline?

Mo-like ShoNONE.

Doctroid 09-19-2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MSperoni (Post 1211068)
She's cocking the hammer of her revolver.

Ah, OK. Obvious once you compare to #154, but I didn't see it on my own.


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