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Arcanum 11-25-2012 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake (Post 1216913)
...I'm just describing everyone's experience with Steam sales, aren't I?

My steam Library is separated into four categories. In addition to the standard "Favorites" and "Everything else" I added two custom categories of "Not Finished" and "Haven't Started." I haven't bothered to count, but I'm pretty sure over half the games I own are split between those two categories.

Red Fighter 1073 11-25-2012 03:29 AM

Bought XCOM a couple days ago for $30. Most expensive purchase I've made on Steam and despite that it feels like it was most valuable in terms of the amount of hours I've already sunk into the game.

I feel like you always get those situations with Steam where you buy something on Steam based off the hype around it because it's on sale for cheap but you never end up playing it that much when you do buy it. Thankfully XCOM has been more than worth it although my College Writing final paper isn't too happy about my enjoyment with the game right now.

Bells 11-25-2012 10:42 AM

i try very much to focus any purchases i make on steam in the "Multiplayer" group, just cause that for me, it's where i'm going to get more value from. Also makes it easier to dodge some sales if they are for games that none of my friends have or don't have multiplayer at all.

Solid Snake 11-25-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim (Post 1216933)
I haven't bought a single game.

I am envious of your restraint.

Loyal 11-25-2012 11:25 AM

I consider myself having bought half a game, insofar as it's the expansion to Civ 5.

rpgdemon 11-25-2012 11:38 AM

I'm with Kim. I don't get why Steam sales are so addicting to people.

I have a back log of games to play, and not much time, so I don't even bother looking, since I'm too lazy to look at prices or try to find games that I might play.

Arcanum 11-25-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon (Post 1216953)
I'm with Kim. I don't get why Steam sales are so addicting to people.

I have a back log of games to play, and not much time, so I don't even bother looking, since I'm too lazy to look at prices or try to find games that I might play.

Because instead of going "I don't need to buy this, I can just play one of the dozens of games I haven't played yet, and by the time I work through my backlog there will be another sale" like a rational person, I go "aaahhhh it's on sale, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it!!!!!"

Ramary 11-25-2012 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon (Post 1216953)
I'm with Kim. I don't get why Steam sales are so addicting to people.

I have a back log of games to play, and not much time, so I don't even bother looking, since I'm too lazy to look at prices or try to find games that I might play.

I have a master plan to slowly buy everything so I no longer have to buy anything.

I am at 612 right now apparently.

akaSM 11-25-2012 01:19 PM

The same goes for indie bundles
 
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Originally Posted by Arcanum (Post 1216954)
Because instead of going "I don't need to buy this, I can just play one of the dozens of games I haven't played yet, and by the time I work through my backlog there will be another sale" like a rational person, I go "aaahhhh it's on sale, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it!!!!!"

QFT

Solid Snake 11-25-2012 01:55 PM


DISHONORED IS 50% OFF
CIVILIZATION V IS 75% OFF
TORCHLIGHT II FOR $10
ARKHAM CITY GOTY EDITION FOR $7.50


Fuck you Steam
Just seriously now
For the sake of my bleeding goddamn wallet
Fuck. Yyyyyoooouuuuu

Ramary 11-25-2012 02:10 PM

Who wants to co-op Orcs Must Die 2 with me? (since karesh is still a jerk)

Leave your co-op résumé on my desk and I will consider my options.

mauve 11-25-2012 02:13 PM

Hey Hey Hey Guys Hey Hey

Not that I'm in the throes of shopping madness or anything, but I'd like some opinions before I make a purchase here. Orcs Must Die 2 is on a daily deal: I have the original on my wishlist cuz I haven't played either one. Do you guys think the first or the second game is better?

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go buy Quantum Conundrum, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and whatever I can't force myself to wait until Tuesday to buy to see if it goes any lower in price.

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Who wants to co-op Orcs Must Die 2 with me? (since karesh is still a jerk)
WELP


ALSO EDIT:
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ARKHAM CITY GOTY EDITION FOR $7.50
Anyone who hasn't played Arkham City and Arkham Asylum needs to do so now. Because I care too much about you people to let you suffer through a life without these games. BECAUSE BATMAN

Ramary 11-25-2012 02:18 PM

Mauve from what I know of it, the second game is the first game with more stuff and co-op. So it is better.

If you want in, I am buying the 2 pack of the complete edition since its cheaper then buying the base game at full price so I can just gift it to you.

I mean I already gave Arc Hotline Miami and aka SANIC, I am like Santa that is a month early.

mauve 11-25-2012 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramary (Post 1216966)
Mauve from what I know of it, the second game is the first game with more stuff and co-op. So it is better.

If you want in, I am buying the 2 pack of the complete edition since its cheaper then buying the base game at full price so I can just gift it to you.

I mean I already gave Arc Hotline Miami and aka SANIC, I am like Santa that is a month early.

Sweet! Sure, I'll take a copy! Thanks!

Arcanum 11-25-2012 02:31 PM

I have played through Arkham City twice on the 360 (regular and new game +) and am working on my new game + playthrough on the PC. I also collected every riddler trophy in the pc version and I hate hidden collectibles in games. And I'm still having fun with the game. So basically, BUY ARKHAM CITY, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE READING THIS, GO BUY IT NOW.

edit- Also I was gonna buy the Quantum Conundrum DLC but when I go to check out it tells me I already have it. I guess when I pre-ordered the game I got the season pass edition and just completely forgot. So yay I have new content to play!

mauve 11-25-2012 02:39 PM

Along that same vein, does anyone know if Quantum Conundrum can run on Vista? Steam says minimum requirement is Windows 7, but other websites say minimum req is XP.

Ramary 11-25-2012 02:43 PM

Attempt to run the demo.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk 11-25-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mauve Mage (Post 1216965)
Anyone who hasn't played Arkham City and Arkham Asylum needs to do so now. Because I care too much about you people to let you suffer through a life without these games. BECAUSE BATMAN

I have never played either. I bought Asylum when it came out, but, like the demo I got from the psn, it would inexplicately not work when I tried to load them up. I tried 2 copies before giving up and getting my money back. I never bothered with City after that as I felt I should play the first one, yano, first.

I am aware of my shameful failure in this regard.

Flarecobra 11-25-2012 03:14 PM

I have played neither batman game, and to be perfectly honest... I don't see myself playing them either. I've watched gameplay footage, and read up on them, and they just don't seem to fall into my "I'll play it." catagory.

Arcanum 11-25-2012 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk (Post 1216971)
I have never played either. I bought Asylum when it came out, but, like the demo I got from the psn, it would inexplicately not work when I tried to load them up. I tried 2 copies before giving up and getting my money back. I never bothered with City after that as I felt I should play the first one, yano, first.

I am aware of my shameful failure in this regard.


Kim 11-25-2012 04:33 PM

I'm gonna keep saying this, but get Analogue. It's amazingly well-written. The experience of learning about another culture via spaceship logs, the sexism of that culture being commented on by a character in the story, the background music... It's all just great. Plus, it's by a queer developer, and I'm gonna be honest and say I think queer developers are very much worth supporting when possible, because there need to be more of them in the industry. Just check the game out. It's great.

Solid Snake 11-25-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kim (Post 1216976)
I'm gonna keep saying this, but get Analogue. It's amazingly well-written. The experience of learning about another culture via spaceship logs, the sexism of that culture being commented on by a character in the story, the background music... It's all just great. Plus, it's by a queer developer, and I'm gonna be honest and say I think queer developers are very much worth supporting when possible, because there need to be more of them in the industry. Just check the game out. It's great.

There are progressive Visual Novels on Steam?
...Done and done.
Should I get Visual too?

Ramary 11-25-2012 07:21 PM

Fuck you Kim, now have to make a visual novel tab for my steam list. IT WAS PERFECT TILL YOU REMINDED ME THAT ANALOGUE WAS STILL AROUND.

Now if you excuse me I need to work 5 grueling seconds to fix my games list.

Solid Snake 11-26-2012 10:01 AM

...Shit I want to buy this universe simulator thing.
Is it worth it?
NOTE: You only have an hour to respond get to it

Flarecobra 11-26-2012 10:05 AM

It's fun to derp around in. Like once I managed to transfer the Solar System from the Milky Way to the Large Magellenic Cloud.

Solid Snake 11-26-2012 12:37 PM

Since it's now a Flash Deal and because I'm desperate to actually play a multiplayer session of this game with folks I know, I'll strongly recommend Crusader Kings II, an addictive strategy game that's akin to Total War except you control a ruling dynastic family instead of a nation, and you're able to more intimately influence politics, religion, the economy and military matters.

If you like games like Total War or if you've played Paradox titles before, CKII is a very similar medieval strategy simulator with a beautiful aesthetic design, a challenging degree of difficulty and an interface that's simultaneously easy to learn but complex and difficult to master.

There are a few social-justice related concerns with the game that merit mentioning:

* In the interests of 'historical authenticity,' characters with the 'homosexual' trait receive a fairly significant penalty to their Diplomacy and Fertility stats, which in turn leads to gameplay benefits being derived from murdering or de-legitimizing gay heirs (because your heterosexual heirs with otherwise equal stats are statistically predisposed to have happier reigns and more children.)

Fortunately, you can choose to ignore this incentive and rule your Kingdom as a 21st Century progressive monarchy, and your gay ruler can become legendary (and sleep with hordes of lovers) if you play well.

Furthermore, you can choose to Mod the penalty out of existence, but those modded values won't carry over into online multiplayer games.

* In the interests of 'historical authenticity,' most women are relegated to supporting roles -- though it is technically possible to procure and play as a female heir, doing so is very difficult unless you're murdering all your sons, grandsons and brothers to ensure your eldest daughter (or sister) takes control. And, female rulers, like homosexuals, suffer a penalty to their Diplomacy stat. If your ruler is a lesbian, you get both penalties, and it becomes very difficult to stay in power unless she has offsetting traits like 'Genius' or 'Kind.'


These have been relatively minor matters in my own playthroughs because, if you're progressive enough as a player, you can just choose to ignore play through the structural limitations. In fact, it's fun to play CKII with gay and female Kings and Queens in an overt attempt to piss on 'historical authenticity.'

And when it comes to matters of race, CKII does the best job of any historical strategy game I've played of including unique Muslim, Mongol and African factions. The Muslim kingdoms and empires in particular don't feel like afterthoughts, and playing as them is lots of fun.

Arcanum 11-26-2012 01:02 PM

So gameplay mechanics that portray the bias and prejudice of that time period are a concern? Those same mechanics that you can ignore or even embrace and that only limit you if you're trying to do a min-maxed playthrough? Are there honestly people out there that think a game striving for social and political realism situated in the 11th century should not portray the biases of that time and instead be unrealistically progressive?

Bells 11-26-2012 01:12 PM

I'm pretty sure that by that definition Civilization is also "socially unjust"

Solid Snake 11-26-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcanum (Post 1217044)
So gameplay mechanics that portray the bias and prejudice of that time period are a concern? Those same mechanics that you can ignore or even embrace and that only limit you if you're trying to do a min-maxed playthrough? Are there honestly people out there that think a game striving for social and political realism situated in the 11th century should not portray the biases of that time and instead be unrealistically progressive?

It's kind of disconcerting that the penalty for merely being a homosexual ruler in CKII is actually in most respects more severe than the penalties actual homosexual rulers were likely to face at the time, yes.

Like if we're talking 'true historical accuracy' here, you could be a homosexual ruler and face relatively little consequence unless you flaunted a so-called 'decadent' lifestyle in the face of the church. Most gay rulers, given the power they had access to, were perfectly able to dabble with lovers 'on the side' without facing any significant consequence. In that sense they had far greater latitude than the peasantry.

The real problem with this mechanic in CKII from a 'historical authenticity' perspective is that the mere act of being born homosexual automatically leads to the penalty. There's no conscious decision-making involved where, say, I could accept the penalty for my character if I chose to flaunt a gay relationship publicly in front of religious figures. And the penalty is grossly exaggerated in effect -- if you're ruling a major Kingdom or Empire with lots of vassals, the mere fact that the King is gay and visiting male lovers in secret will result in mass uprisings, even if all his other stats are generally positive. Vassals are prickly in this game.

But the warning is really intended for people who might, say, emotionally react to the notion that their gay character might be murdered (by an opposing vassal with the 'Zealous' trait, for example) merely for being gay. I'm sure regardless of any interest in 'historical authenticity' it's possible for those who've suffered under oppression to find a game insufferable if it seems hellbent on reminding them how terrible being gay or female was in prior centuries under the patriarchy.

Personally, I wouldn't mind the 'historical accuracy' stuff if there was an option to toggle them off. Given that the entire point of the game is that you can take history in crazy directions by -- say -- re-establishing the Roman Empire, dethroning the Pope and establishing heresy as a dominant religion, or conquering Europe as a Muslim nation, the idea that you could play an a-historical game in which homosexuality was legalized or women were treated as equals in one's kingdom seems relevant and permissible.

Kim 11-26-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcanum (Post 1217044)
So gameplay mechanics that portray the bias and prejudice of that time period are a concern? Those same mechanics that you can ignore or even embrace and that only limit you if you're trying to do a min-maxed playthrough? Are there honestly people out there that think a game striving for social and political realism situated in the 11th century should not portray the biases of that time and instead be unrealistically progressive?

If things like sexual orientation are to be inflicted arbitrarily upon the player as a punishment and nothing more, then it would be better for the game to not touch on them at all. It doesn't explore them enough to do the themes justice. Being gay becomes a negative thing.

It's possible to include homosexuality and mistreatment of gay people and be a progressive game. Analogue: A Hate Story actually does that. It also does the same thing for sexism. This works because there are in-game elements that show the bigotry itself as being a bad thing.

No such commentary exists within Crusader Kings II, as far as I know. As a result, the game gains nothing by making homophobia a part of the experience. Because it gains nothing by doing this, it should not have done so.

Grandmaster_Skweeb 11-26-2012 01:21 PM

You're doin that logic thing again, Arcanum. Stop that silliness right now!

Unrelated note: I am very pleased with Torchlight 2. Its fun value is inversely proportional to Diablo 3's lack thereof. It doesnt try to be anything that it isnt. Torchlight 2 simply takes what it did before and does it even better while addressing the minor issues the first one had.

Kim 11-26-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandmaster_Skweeb (Post 1217049)
You're doin that logic thing again, Arcanum. Stop that silliness right now!

Hey, that's at least sideways assholery in Snake's direction.

I have magistrate authority with all regards to Bein' Cool, and making comments to try and get under someone's skin isn't very cool. Snake's not asking everyone to agree with his perspective. I do, but he's not asking people to.

Snake said a game had issues. He explained the issues as he saw them. That the issues he sees are social justice issues does not give people carte blanche to be jerks about it, okay?

rpgdemon 11-26-2012 01:37 PM

I agree with Kim. If the game has nothing to gain by the inclusion, and it doesn't actually accurately reflect history or help inform people about prejudices and biases, then logically, there should be no reason for it to be in the game, and there should be no reason to complain about people questioning it's inclusion.

Solid Snake 11-26-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kim (Post 1217047)
It's possible to include homosexuality and mistreatment of gay people and be a progressive game. Analogue: A Hate Story actually does that. It also does the same thing for sexism. This works because there are in-game elements that show the bigotry itself as being a bad thing.

Yeah another issue therein is that at no point does CKII actually attempt to communicate to the player that the medieval prejudices and lifestyle generally was ethically awful.

For example, if you're ruling as King, and you have a gay son as heir, you can kill that son and retain positive traits such as 'Kind' or 'Charitable'. (Granted, you can kill your straight sons -- or daughters -- with similar lack of consequences.) Despite the fact that 'events' in which your character is given CYOA-style choices are popularly used in the game, there's no 'event' or 'choice' in which your King character would express any regret or remorse for committing such a horrific crime.

That fundamental disconnect permeates the game. There's no negative consequence for ruling as a homophobic, misogynistic bigot -- and in fact, events conjured in efforts to stimulate 'historical accuracy' include ones where your ruler receives positive benefits (and comparatively few actual consequences) for condoning this.

As such, while it's easy to attempt to play through CKII as an enlightened progressive ruling Enlightened Progressiveville -- I once had my gay King exclusively promote other homosexuals into open high-ranking baronies because why not -- it's also easy to imagine that CKII is using 'historical accuracy' as an excuse to cater to the fantasies of privileged white men who wish they could live as a King in medieval times, declare war against Muslim infidels, sleep with all the peasant girls, cultivate 'perfect' heirs with exclusively 'positive' traits, and torture all the prisoners.

I'm so sorry that this discussion has offended your precious sensibilities, by the way. I'll be sure to never mention social justice issues in any context again lest you feel offended, because certainly any offense you might take is far more egregious than the offense a gay person and/or a woman might take in playing a 'historically accurate' game that tells him/her that s/he's subhuman and that they were born with 'negative traits.'

Ryong 11-26-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandmaster_Skweeb (Post 1217049)
You're doin that logic thing again, Arcanum. Stop that silliness right now!

Unrelated note: I am very pleased with Torchlight 2. Its fun value is inversely proportional to Diablo 3's lack thereof. It doesnt try to be anything that it isnt. Torchlight 2 simply takes what it did before and does it even better while addressing the minor issues the first one had.

My friends and I ended up getting the 4pack and it's just...Man. I feel like the first game was a prototype and the second game still wasn't all that great. Ot's just highly annoying how every single enemy focuses on dishing out damage and little else - beyond having, say, a shield. The final bosses were significantly easier than any enemy I fought simply because, to balance out their ton of HP, they did less damage than a lot of the enemies I was fighting up to them. It didn't help that, on every character we played, gameplay boiled down to normal attacking, turning on a few buffs every 40 seconds ( which Titan Quest's approach of toggled buffs that reduce your max mana while on did infinitely better ) and having three terrible skills and two situational skills.

Man, I don't know. I always liked Titan Quest and how much variety the game had, now I'm used to it and everything else just feels underwhelming.

On Crusader Kings 2: To be fair, medieval times were pretty bad. It's why artistic license is so common in games that have them for a setting.

Bells 11-26-2012 01:41 PM

what am i missing here if the Crusader Kings II wiki states that the Homosexual Trait only reduces fertility by 15% and nothing else ?

You sure you did your homework on that one?

Solid Snake 11-26-2012 01:45 PM

In Which Bells claims he knows more than the guy who's played 400+ hours of CKII
 
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Originally Posted by Bells (Post 1217058)
what am i missing here if the Crusader Kings II wiki states that the Homosexual Trait only reduces fertility by 15% and nothing else ?

You sure you did your homework on that one?

Yes.
Given that I own the game and have ruled with homosexual rulers before, I can assure you of that.

Actually play the game and select a vassal while you have a Homosexual ruler. Check his opinion of you, which is a number that ranges from +100 to -100.
You'll see an "Is Homosexual" penalty that corresponds with a negative number (usually -10 or -15 or so.)
Hence, a negative penalty to diplomacy. Your vassals literally have a worse opinion of their ruler if their ruler is female or gay.

And that penalty to fertility is more than enough of a downside when the game ACTUALLY ENDS if you die and don't have an heir.
(Translation: If you have two sons and the elder is gay while the younger is not, you have a sheer statistical incentive to kill off or disenfranchise the gay heir to increase your odds that your heir will have children and the game will continue.)

EDIT: Check the bottom of this screen here for proof, yo.

Arcanum 11-26-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake (Post 1217046)
It's kind of disconcerting that the penalty for merely being a homosexual ruler in CKII is actually in most respects more severe than the penalties actual homosexual rulers were likely to face at the time, yes.

Like if we're talking 'true historical accuracy' here, you could be a homosexual ruler and face relatively little consequence unless you flaunted a so-called 'decadent' lifestyle in the face of the church. Most gay rulers, given the power they had access to, were perfectly able to dabble with lovers 'on the side' without facing any significant consequence. In that sense they had far greater latitude than the peasantry.

The real problem with this mechanic in CKII from a 'historical authenticity' perspective is that the mere act of being born homosexual automatically leads to the penalty. There's no conscious decision-making involved where, say, I could accept the penalty for my character if I chose to flaunt a gay relationship publicly in front of religious figures. And the penalty is grossly exaggerated in effect -- if you're ruling a major Kingdom or Empire with lots of vassals, the mere fact that the King is gay and visiting male lovers in secret will result in mass uprisings, even if all his other stats are generally positive. Vassals are prickly in this game.

Yeah okay I can accept that. I haven't played the game, and I don't know how severe this penalty is, so I'll defer to your experience on the matter (since I'm pretty sure every time I see you playing a game on steam it's this game). Also the lack of choice in regards to how you act with the assigned traits is a bit disappointing, but understandable since you would have to include choices for every trait and modifiers based on those choices, and it would bring balance issues due to the increased min-max possibilites, and overall a fuckton of work for the devs.

I was going to mention in my original post that it would be cool if there were traits that affected character penalties (not just for homosexuality) such as "secretive" or "decadent" but I didn't want to get into hypothetical game design of a game I know very little about.

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Originally Posted by Kim (Post 1217047)
If things like sexual orientation are to be inflicted arbitrarily upon the player as a punishment and nothing more, then it would be better for the game to not touch on them at all. It doesn't explore them enough to do the themes justice. Being gay becomes a negative thing.

It's possible to include homosexuality and mistreatment of gay people and be a progressive game. Analogue: A Hate Story actually does that. It also does the same thing for sexism. This works because there are in-game elements that show the bigotry itself as being a bad thing.

No such commentary exists within Crusader Kings II, as far as I know. As a result, the game gains nothing by making homophobia a part of the experience. Because it gains nothing by doing this, it should not have done so.

I never thought of it as punishment, just as a challenge. Especially in a game with randomly assigned traits. As for the game not exploring the themes, from what I gather CK2 is basically a setting and a strategy simulator. It's not there to explore themes and ideas like a visual novel, that's left up to the player as he or she forges their path through a campaign. The negative stat on being gay can be viewed as punishment and a bad thing, or a challenge and a chance to rise up against oppression. It all depends on the player.

Could it have handled the homophobia better? Based on Snake's analysis, yeah probably. Should it have been left out? I don't think so. Doing so could be seen as ignoring a significant issue, and people would have complained about the lack of homosexuality (because people complain about everything).


-after hitting "preview post" and seeing a bunch more posts-

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For example, if you're ruling as King, and you have a gay son as heir, you can kill that son and retain positive traits such as 'Kind' or 'Charitable'. (Granted, you can kill your straight sons -- or daughters -- with similar lack of consequences.) Despite the fact that 'events' in which your character is given CYOA-style choices are popularly used in the game, there's no 'event' or 'choice' in which your King character would express any regret or remorse for committing such a horrific crime.

That fundamental disconnect permeates the game. There's no negative consequence for ruling as a homophobic, misogynistic bigot -- and in fact, events conjured in efforts to stimulate 'historical accuracy' include ones where your ruler receives positive benefits (and comparatively few actual consequences) for condoning this.

As such, while it's easy to attempt to play through CKII as an enlightened progressive ruling Enlightened Progressiveville -- I once had my gay King exclusively promote other homosexuals into open high-ranking baronies because why not -- it's also easy to imagine that CKII is using 'historical accuracy' as an excuse to cater to the fantasies of privileged white men who wish they could live as a King in medieval times, declare war against Muslim infidels, sleep with all the peasant girls, cultivate 'perfect' heirs with exclusively 'positive' traits, and torture all the prisoners.
Ah okay, didn't know it was that bad. I can understand if you secretly assassinate your kids, you don't receive a diplomatic penalty because hey, nobody knows anything, your kid just died of plague or went to visit a relative and never showed up. Still, having the choice to be repentant would be pretty great, and it's disappointing that it wasn't included.

Likewise having traits like "homophobic" and "racist" that lower relations with those people would have been a nice inclusion to show that their actions aren't without consequences. But here I'm getting into hypothetical game design of a game I know very little about so I'll just stop here.

On my simulation comments earlier in this post, in hindsight they are pretty dumb since the game doesn't simulate negative consequences for such negative actions. I will still leave the original comments there because writing all this out and re-reading a bunch of these posts have helped me understand your side of the issue better.

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I'm so sorry that this discussion has offended your precious sensibilities, by the way. I'll be sure to never mention social justice issues in any context again lest you feel offended, because certainly any offense you might take is far more egregious than the offense a gay person and/or a woman might take in playing a 'historically accurate' game that tells him/her that s/he's subhuman and that they were born with 'negative traits.'
Is that directed at me? While my original post was based in a lack of understanding of how deep these mechanics ran, it doesn't merit a snide remark like this. Seriously, what the fuck?

Bells 11-26-2012 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcanum (Post 1217064)

Is that directed at me? While my original post was based in a lack of understanding of how deep these mechanics ran, it doesn't merit a snide remark like this. Seriously, what the fuck?

Snake reacts like this

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In Which Bells claims he knows more than the guy who's played 400+ hours of CKII
When someone simply asks confirmation on data that he said goes one way, while the (albeit little) research i did, showed something else... so i asked.

But it is ok to react like that... cause he is morally upright, you see?

Kim 11-26-2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bells (Post 1217066)
Snake reacts like this when someone simply asks confirmation on data that he said goes one way, while the (albeit little) research i did, showed something else... so i asked.

Your tone was insulting. "You sure you did your homework on that one?" It isn't the tone of someone asking for clarification. It is the tone of someone certain they are right and rubbing it in.

This fits in with a history of behavior from yourself and others wherein whenever the subject of media and social justice is broached, you make an effort to dismiss or otherwise trivialize the complaints of those taking issue.

In a thread where Snake has already been mockingly called illogical for taking note of this content, he is going to have even less patience for this behavior than normal.

This is exacerbated by similar such behavior in another thread this very day.

A group of people, which include yourself, have been trying his patience and treating him disrespectfully.

I do not believe you honestly expected any other result.

If you expect Snake to treat you with respect, you ought first treat him and the things he says with more respect than you have been. This goes out to all of you.

Solid Snake 11-26-2012 03:25 PM

In this topic: historical revisionists
 
I wasn't the slightest bit snarky when I was made the original post you all responded to, which merely elucidated that Crusader Kings II (a game I like, by the way, and one I'm usually more eager to defend) is saddled with a fair share of issues related to social justice concerns that might caution against its purchase.

Y'all then proceeded to react with:

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Are there honestly people out there that think a game striving for social and political realism situated in the 11th century should not portray the biases of that time and instead be unrealistically progressive?
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I'm pretty sure that by that definition Civilization is also "socially unjust"
...And even after you expressed this initial round of, yes, holier-than-thou know-it-all bona fide snarkiness in response to my otherwise innocuous attempt to inform, I graciously proceeded to try to explain the specific substantive issues in a post or two without delving into name-calling.

Instead, y'all proceeded to attempt to prove me wrong and/or lecture me, with a continued flippant tone:

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You're doin that logic thing again, Arcanum. Stop that silliness right now!
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You sure you did your homework on that one?
Yes, Bells, that last comment of yours I quoted was snarky and sarcastic and self-indulgent and uses wording that is at best completely unnecessary and at worst utterly dismissive.

Yes, I'm sure I "did my homework" on that one.
And yes, by the time we had gotten that far -- by the time I had already elucidated in three separate posts my line of reasoning -- I finally gave in to temptation and decided to inject some snark because you were already tossing out your zingers at me for daring to suggest that a game I actually LIKE has genuine issues.

And no, I shouldn't have to justify every attempt I make to preface recommendations for videogames with a social-justice related disclaimer.
This is the kind of attitude and behavior that makes talking about issues like sexism and homophobia utterly impossible here at NPF.

Marc v4.0 11-26-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bells (Post 1217066)
Snake reacts like this



When someone simply asks confirmation on data that he said goes one way, while the (albeit little) research i did, showed something else... so i asked.

But it is ok to react like that... cause he is morally upright, you see?

You didn't "simply ask" Bells, you directly challenged in a manner that tried to cast doubt or suspicion on the veracity of his knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Bells (Post 1217058)
what am i missing here if the Crusader Kings II wiki states that the Homosexual Trait only reduces fertility by 15% and nothing else ?

That is simply asking.

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Originally Posted by Bells (Post 1217058)
You sure you did your homework on that one?

That is being condescendingly snide and then turning around and acting the morally better better person because you 'did nothing wrong'.

We can all read here, we didn't miss it.

E:FB

Solid Snake 11-26-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcanum (Post 1217064)
Is that directed at me? While my original post was based in a lack of understanding of how deep these mechanics ran, it doesn't merit a snide remark like this. Seriously, what the fuck?

For clarification's sake: No.
That was directed at Skweeb.
I did lose my cool there. I felt Skweeb's comment crossed a line.
The previous post I wrote -- one where I didn't lose my cool -- was one that directly quoted and responded to you. I'm not even sure if you commented after that (I don't think you did, at least not until now.)

Grandmaster_Skweeb 11-26-2012 04:09 PM

Look, you're givin me too much credit for tryin to stir up shit. I agree that the mechanics of some aspects of the game are silly and illogical, and frankly downright stupid in execution. Trying to make sense why they made it so is the illogical part i was alluding to.

If i really wanted to stir up shit i'd say something like "all we need now is someone to bring up entitlement so i can claim social justice bingo!"

So, if what i said is soooo offensive, then i apologize on that one.

Solid Snake 11-26-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandmaster_Skweeb (Post 1217075)
Look, you're givin me too much credit for tryin to stir up shit. I agree that the mechanics of some aspects of the game are silly and illogical, and frankly downright stupid in execution. Trying to make sense why they made it so is the illogical part i was alluding to.

I am about 99.9% certain that Paradox's team had conversations about every trait they put in the game, how those traits would correlate and intertwine, and how best to balance their gameplay while retaining a semblance of historical authenticity. So no, I don't buy that their usage of homosexuality as a negative trait was "silly and illogical." I think if you'd ask a Paradox designer they'd come up with a litany of historical reasons -- mostly regarding past persecution of homosexuals -- to justify its inclusion.
They'd be wrong, but there are reasons why they were wrong in their approach that can be perceived and understood.

Any 'illogical stupidity' from Paradox in their game doesn't immunize the product from criticism, for that matter.

I don't buy your explanation that you weren't trying to start controversy, by the way. Even your half-assed attempt at an 'apology' right there is offensive.

Grandmaster_Skweeb 11-26-2012 04:29 PM

Christ this shit's gettin ridiculous, i'm out. Take the half-assed attempt or not, I dont particularly care either way 'cause that's all that is going to be given.

POS Industries 11-26-2012 05:13 PM

Please return to the topic of outrageous holiday deals on video games.

If you want to continue discussing the problematic nature of Crusader Kings II: Bigotry Boogaloo, you may feel free to make a thread for that if you are able to remain respectful and reasonable in the process.

Ramary 11-26-2012 05:20 PM

Will do sir.


Anyone intrested in Castle Crashers? I remember kinda liking it on the xbox and might get a 4 pack to keep making people feel indebted to me.

Kim 11-26-2012 05:21 PM

Comrades! I hear of a place beyond the Great Valve Wall! A land where deals are in abundance, not just one day or two but all year round! Let us raise our banners! Let us shout our battle cry! Tonight the wall falls! Tonight... Tonight we know freedom.

BB 11-26-2012 05:22 PM

Today is the last sale day (although, possibly, there's one more round of flash sales to come), so it's time to hoover up all the things you haven't bought yet in case they went on a daily deal.

Also, Bastion's on flash sale right now. You won't spend a better $4.

Doc ock rokc 11-26-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramary (Post 1217083)
Will do sir.


Anyone intrested in Castle Crashers? I remember kinda liking it on the xbox and might get a 4 pack to keep making people feel indebted to me.

alright If you want to give me CC i'll play with you

Seeing that I have no money anyway.

Arcanum 11-26-2012 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramary (Post 1217083)
Will do sir.


Anyone intrested in Castle Crashers? I remember kinda liking it on the xbox and might get a 4 pack to keep making people feel indebted to me.

It's a pretty darn fun sidescrolling beat-em-up and you can even forsake the "beat-em-up" part and specialize entirely into spells.

So count me in on that 4 pack if you get it. I'll even toss $3.75 (15/4=that) your way (or get you a game that's at that price).

synkr0nized 11-26-2012 05:32 PM

--
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grandmaster_Skweeb (Post 1217075)
Look, you're givin me too much credit for tryin to stir up shit. I agree that the mechanics of some aspects of the game are silly and illogical, and frankly downright stupid in execution. Trying to make sense why they made it so is the illogical part i was alluding to.

If i really wanted to stir up shit i'd say something like "all we need now is someone to bring up entitlement so i can claim social justice bingo!"

So, if what i said is soooo offensive, then i apologize on that one.

I should think now, especially since multiple readers of this thread have pointed it out, you should be able to see the difference between continuing a discussion while "alluding" to opinions on poor mechanics and just being sarcastic about someone else's response in the thread.

Let's all be a bit more mature, as PoS has asked.

Ramary 11-26-2012 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcanum (Post 1217088)
It's a pretty darn fun sidescrolling beat-em-up and you can even forsake the "beat-em-up" part and specialize entirely into spells.

So count me in on that 4 pack if you get it. I'll even toss $3.75 (15/4=that) your way (or get you a game that's at that price).

Don't forget Hotline Miami. Might ask ya for a 7 something game then we be even in my book.

Arcanum 11-26-2012 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramary (Post 1217091)
Don't forget Hotline Miami. Might ask ya for a 7 something game then we be even in my book.

Hey that was a gift! Freely given from the good of your heartahahahaha okay yeah I can't say that with a straight face. Anyway, yeah that's fine with me.

Ramary 11-26-2012 05:51 PM

Still need one more for castle crashing though. I swear I won't demand you to pay me back in organs.




yet.....

synkr0nized 11-26-2012 05:58 PM

Dig everywhere!
 
I already have it on Xbox Live, and my interest in it didn't last past beating it once.

It is still fun to play with friends, though, so hopefully that doesn't sound too discouraging.

Revising Ocelot 11-26-2012 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kim (Post 1217084)
Tonight... Tonight we know freedom.

More like parole. Less than a month until the next sale, insert evil laughter of choice here.


I expect damage reports when all this is done. I'm saving at least three purchases for Christmas, was going to be two but Dark Souls didn't pop up. And I still need to steal a 360 controller for that, anyway.

Ramary 11-26-2012 06:02 PM

Dark souls was 20 bucks on amazon a few weeks ago.


It is an okay price right now if you are interested, it is basically a steam code.

Bells 11-26-2012 06:54 PM

My gift to all is that you don't have to go to Kotaku to read this

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Gamefly has the best prices on several PC downloads, including Dishonored at $24, beating out all other stores today.
• Dishonored (PC Download) is $23.99
• Guild Wars 2 Digital Deluxe Edition (PC Download) is $63.99
• Guild Wars 2 Digital Edition (PC Download) is $47.99
• Mass Effect Trilogy (PC Download) is $23.99
• FIFA Soccer 13 (PC Download) is $15.20
• Darksiders 2 (PC Download) is $13.59
• Torchlight 2 (PC Download) is $11.99
• Spec Ops: The Line (PC Download) is $5.99

GameStop has a Cyber Monday sale with best prices from Max Payne 3 and Skyrim on consoles to a couple decent $9.99 downloads. Don't forget to use coupon code SAVER to get free shipping on orders over $25.
• PlayStation 3 250GB Bundle with 3 bonus games: Lego Harry Potter: Years 5-7, Lego Batman 2: DC Super Heroes, and Little Big Planet Karting is $299.99
• Nintendo 3DS with 2 Free Games is $169.99
• Sleeping Dogs (PS3, Xbox 360) is $29.99
• Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (Xbox 360, PS3) is $29.99
• Max Payne 3 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $19.99
• Lollipop Chainsaw (PS3, Xbox 360) is $19.99
• Saints Row The Third (PS3, Xbox 360) is $19.99
• Wonderbook: Book of Spells (PS3) is $19.99
• inFAMOUS Collection (PS3) is $19.99
• TekNmotion Yapster Blaster Gaming Headset for Xbox 360/PC is $19.99
• Batman: Arkham Asylum Game of the Year Edition 3D (Xbox 360) is $14.99
• Mortal Kombat (PS Vita) is $14.99
• LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes (PC) is $19.99
• London 2012 (PC Download) is $15.29
• Saints Row The Third (PC Download) is $9.99
• Dragon Age Pack (PC Download) is $9.99

Green Man Gaming enters the home stretch of their Winter Wonderland Sale with a ton of great prices still available. Deals end today at 7PM EST.
• Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (PC Download) is $22.50
• Hitman: Absolution - Professional Edition (PC Download) is $32.50
• XCOM Enemy Unknown (PC Download) is $28.12
• Borderlands 2 Mr. Torgue's Campaign of Carnage (PC DLC) is $7.50
• Aliens: Colonial Marines (PC Download) is $37.50
• Tomb Raider (PC Download) is $33.75
• WRC 3 (PC Download) is $30
• Dead Island Riptide (PC Download) is $30
• Iron Sky Invasion (PC Download) is $30
• Football Manager 2013 (PC Download) is $30
• Spellforce: Complete Collection (PC Download) is $30
• The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings Enhanced Edition (PC) is $15.07
• Red Faction Armageddon (PC Download) is $15
• Men of War: Vietnam Special Edition (PC Download) is $15
• Chivalry: Medieval Warfare (PC Download) is $15
• Red Orchestra 2: Heroes of Stalingrad (PC Download) is $15
• Men of War: Assault Squad (PC Download) is $13.12
• Men of War: Vietnam (PC Download) is $13.12
• Stronghold 3 Gold Edition (PC Download) is $12.48
• Men of War: Condemned Heroes (PC Download) is $11.26
• Doom 3: BFG Edition (PC Download) is $11.25
• Secret Files 3 (PC Download) is $11.25
• Postal 3 (PC Download) is $11.25
• The Darkness 2 (PC Download) is $11.25
• Quantum Conundrum (PC Download) is $11.25
• Worms Revolution (PC Download) is $10.12
• Max Payne 3: Hostage Negotiation Pack (PC DLC) is $7.50
• Awesomenauts (PC Download) is $7.50
• Death Rally (PC Download) is $7.50
• Fallout: New Vegas (PC Download) is $7.50
• Men of War: Red Tide (PC Download) is $7.50
• NecroVisioN: Lost Company (PC Download) is $7.50
• Nexuiz (PC Download) is $7.50
• Port Royale 3 (PC Download) is $7.50
• Scarygirl (PC Download) is $7.50
• The Lord of the Rings: War in the North (PC Download) is $7.50
• Sine Mora (PC Download) is $7.50
• Sonic Adventure 2 (PC Download) is $6.72
• Men of War (PC Download) is $5.62
• Tropico 4 (PC Download) is $5.62
• Bastion (PC Download) is $5.62
• Hitman: Blood Money (PC Download) is $4.50
• Drip Drip (PC Download) is $3.75
• Hard Reset (PC Download) is $3.75
• Galaxy on Fire 2 Full HD (PC Download) is $3.75
• Anna (PC Download) is $3.75
• Sleeping Dogs: Nightmare in North Point (PC DLC) is $3.75
• XCOM: Enemy Unknown - Elite Soldier Pack (PC DLC) is $3.75
• Hitman: Codename 47 (PC Download) is $3
• The Journey Down: Chapter One (PC Download) is $2.97
• Death Road (PC Download) is $2.81
• Cargo Commander (PC Download) is $2.55
• Bang Bang Racing (PC Download) is $1.87
• Skydrift (PC Download) is $1.87
• Gear Grinder (PC Download) is $1.50
• Port Royale 3: Harbour Master (PC DLC) is $1.12
• Naval War Arctic Circle: Operation Tarnhelm is $3.75

Origin has many best-of-the-web prices across multiple platforms. Also free shipping on orders over $39.99. Otherwise it's $2.50.
• Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 Limited Edition (Xbox 360) is $29.99
• Battlefield 3 Premium Edition (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $29.99. Shipping is $2.50 for the 360 and PS3 version.
• Madden NFL 13 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $29.99
• Madden NFL 13 (Wii) is $24.99
• Madden NFL 13 (Vita) is $19.99
• FIFA Soccer 13 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $29.99
• FIFA Soccer 13 (PS Vita) is $19.99
• Battlefield 3 (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $19.99
• Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $19.99
• Need for Speed: Most Wanted 2012 (PS Vita) is $19.99
• Syndicate (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $14.99
• Dead Space 2 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $9.99
• Medal of Honor (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $9.99
• Alice: Madness Returns (Xbox 360, PS3, PC Download) is $9.99
• The Sims 3 Pets (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Army of Two: The 40th Day (Xbox 360) is $9.99

Origin PC downloads are surprisingly beating more popular digital distributors. Someone in their marketing department deserves a thanks for this aggressive Cyber Monday pricing. Medal of Honor Warfighter hit a new low by $15 and The Sims 3: Supernatural is cheapest ever by $10.
• Medal of Honor Warfighter Limited Edition (PC Download) is $29.99
• Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 (PC Download) is $24.99
• Command & Conquer The Ultimate Edition (PC Download) is $24.99
• Sniper Elite V2 (PC Download) is $24.99
• Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City (PC Download) is $24.99
• The Sims 3 Pets (PC Download) is $19.99
• The Sims 3 Seasons (PC Download) is $19.99
• The Sims 3: Supernatural (PC Download) is $19.99
• FIFA Manager 13 (PC Download) is $19.99
• Deep Black Reloaded (PC Download) is $14.99
• Dead Rising 2: Off the Record (PC Download) is $14.99
• The Walking Dead Game (PC Download) is $12.49
• Ravaged (PC Download) is $12.49
• Bulletstorm (PC Download) is $9.99
• Darksiders (PC Download) is $9.99
• Afterfall: InSanity (PC Download) is $9.99
• Battlefield Bad Company 2 (PC Download) is $9.99
• Battlefield 2 Complete Collection (PC Download) is $9.99
• F.E.A.R. 3 (PC Download) is $9.99
• Mirror's Edge (PC Download) is $9.99
• Dead Space (PC Download) is $9.99
• Dead Island Game of the Year Edition (PC Download) is $9.99
• Battlefield 2142 Deluxe Edition (PC Download) is $7.49
• To The Moon (PC Download) is $5.99
• Mercenaries 2: World in Flames (PC Download) is $4.99
• Shank (PC Download) is $4.99
• Symphony (PC Download) is $4.99
• Kung Fu Strike: The Warrior's Rise (PC Download) is $4.99
• Hoodwink (PC Download) is $4.99
• All Zombies Must Die (PC Download) is $4.99
• Choplifter HD (PC Download) is $4.99
• Warp (PC Download) is $4.99
• Gatling Gears (PC Download) is $4.99
• Bust-N-Rush: Double Bust Bundle (PC Download) is $3.99
• Squids (PC Download) is $3.49
• Bunch Of Heroes (PC Download) is $2.49

Best Buy sold through most of their best console game deals this weekend, like usual. . A few remaining gems listed below, including Medal of Honor: Warfighter inching another dollar lower after already beating Dell's Friday $40 "doorbuster deal" by $10.
• Nintendo 3DS XL Red/Black is $179.99
• Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $29.99
• Medal of Honor: Warfighter Limited Edition (Xbox 360, PS3) is $28.99
• Ratchet & Clank: Full Frontal Assault (PS3) is $19.99
• Kid Icarus: Uprising (Nintendo 3DS) is $19.99
• Star Fox 64 3D (Nintendo 3DS) is $19.99
• The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Nintendo 3DS) is $19.99
• uDraw GameTablet with uDraw Studio (Xbox 360, Wii) is $12.99

Walmart has lots of gaming deals in their Cyber sale, and they offer free shipping to your local Fedex in addition to free store pickup. And a pretty solid deal on the Xbox 360 4GB bundle with Skylanders Starter Kit.
• Xbox 360 4GB Console w/ Skylanders Starter Kit & Exclusive Gill Grunt Character is $159
• Borderlands 2 (Xbox 360) is $30
• Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception (PS3) is $15
• Ratchet and Clank HD Collection (PS3) is $15
• L.A. Noire (Xbox 360, PS3) is $10
• Gran Turismo 5 XL Edition (PS3) is $10
• PS3 Slim 250GB Console with Uncharted 1 & 2 and Infamous 1 & 2 + FREE bonus game and dreamGEAR 2-in-1 Charge 'n Chat Pack is $219

GamersGate has four notable deals, with two popular downloads dropping to $5 and $7.50.
• War Of The Roses (PC Download) is $15
• Victoria Collection (PC Download) is $14.99
• Total War Shogun 2 Fall of the Samurai (PC Download) is $7.49
• Deus Ex: Human Revolution (PC Download) is $4.99

Microsoft Store shifted hard into the $10 and $15 gear after their big Black Friday sale on new titles for $25 sold out quickly. Now you can grab Gears of War 3 for $10 and they have a couple decent 360 + Kinect bundles still available.
• Forza Horizon (Xbox 360) is $14.99
• Fable: The Journey (Xbox 360) is $14.99
• Kinect Sports Ultimate Collection (Xbox 360) is $14.99
• Binary Domain (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Rage (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Inversion (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• MotionSports: Adrenaline (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Gears of War Triple Pack (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Gears of War 3 (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• MLB 2K12 (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Operation Flashpoint: Red River (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Big League Sports (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Quake 4 (Xbox 360) is $9.99
• Portal 2 (PC) is $9.99
• The Secret World (PC) is $9.99
• Batman: Arkham City (PC) is $9.99
• Assassin's Creed Revelations (PC) is $9.99
• Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition (PC) is $9.99
• Star Wars: The Old Republic (PC) is $9.99
• Rift (PC) is $9.99
• Xbox 360 4GB Console and Kinect Bundle with Kinect Sports, Kinect Joy Ride and 320GB Media Drive is $349.99
• Xbox 360 4GB Console and Kinect Bundle with Kinect Sports and Kinect Joy Ride is $249.99

NewEgg isn't exactly leading the pack in gaming deals this Cyber Monday, but they do have the best price on Dishonored.
• Dishonored (PS3, Xbox 360) is $24.99
• Shadows of the Damned (PS3) is $9.99
• Warhammer 40k: Space Marine (PC) is $7.99

TigerDirect has a great deal on Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 (Xbox 360, PC) for $39.99 if you don't mind dealing with mail in rebates.

Target
• Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (Xbox 360, PS3) is $25

Steam Autumn Sale ends today. Notable titles: Dishonored/em> $29.99, Torchlight II $9.99, Borderlands 2 $29.99, and Orc's Must Die $3.74.

Amazon had some great 360/PS3 deals over the Cyber weekend but they sold out of many titles. A few price drops remain but their strongest sales are the ridiculously cheap PC Download bundles.
• XCOM Enemy Unknown (PS3) is $25
• Record of Agarest War 2 Limited Edition (PS3) is $29.99
• NBA 2K13 (PC Download) is $22.49
• Civilization V Game of The Year Edition + Civilization V: Gods and Kings (PC Download) is $19.99
• Sleeping Dogs (PC Download) is $19.99
• Max Payne 3 + Season Pass (PC Download) is $19.99
• Grand Theft Auto IV: Complete + La Noire Complete + GTA San Andreas (PC Download) is $14.99
• Majesty Bundle (PC Download) is $9.99
• Plentiful Paradox Package (PC Download) is $9.99
• Batman: Arkham City + $5 Amazon Credit (PC Download) is $7.50
• Total War: Shogun 2 (PC Download) is $7.49
• Paradox War Chest (PC Download) is $7.49
• Batman Arkham Asylum Game of the Year Edition + $5 Amazon Gaming Credit (PC Download) is $5
• Bioshock Dual Pack - Steam Version (PC Download) is $4.99
• Dungeon Siege 3 (PC Download) is $4.99
• Worms Reloaded: Game of the Year Edition + $5 Amazon Gaming Credit (PC Download) is $4.99
Cyber Monday Deals on everywhere else! It's the final countdown! GET YOUR CRACK!


BY THE WAY

http://www.gamefly.com/Download-Spec...#axzz2DNOLRa8e

SPEC Op the Line - UNDER $8 FRIGGIN BUCKS!!

Arcanum 11-26-2012 07:31 PM

I was waiting for the last round of flash sales to see if spec-op dropped any further, but this saves me the waiting time. Thanks Bells!

akaSM 11-26-2012 10:25 PM

Inb4 someone plays the game alone...or the team goes poof *coughborderlandscough*
 
If no one has taken the 4th slot of the castle crashing game, I'm in.

mauve 11-27-2012 07:46 PM

Okay kids, the sale is over; wallets everywhere breathe a collective sigh of relief. They are safe--FOR NOW.

Time to post your damages from Steam Autumn Sale 2012.

I ended up with:

To The Moon
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Penny Arcade Adventures: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 1&2
Batman Arkham City DLC: Harley Quinn's Revenge

And I got Orcs Must Die 2! as a gift.

Total cost= just under $20

BB 11-27-2012 07:51 PM

I got away mostly unscathed- didn't buy anything until the last day to mop up some of the unlisted deals. (This is only because Ys Origin didn't get a higher discount than 50%- in which case I would have bought it with fury)

Damage report:

The EXceed collection, 3 bullet hell shooters
Puzzle Quest which I've wanted ever since someone posted the demo on this very forum many years ago
Toki Tori because it was cheaper than eating so why not

Just under a month to wait until the next one. Definitely getting Ys then.

Loyal 11-27-2012 07:53 PM

Civ 5: Gods and Kings
Castle Crashers

Honestly there really wasn't a lot that interested me in this sale.

Solid Snake 11-27-2012 08:18 PM

My bounty:

XCOM: Enemy Unknown
To The Moon
Psychonauts
Analogue: A Hate Story
Medieval II: Total War (technically I've owned that title already and have for years, but my discs were getting rusty, it was on sale, and I'm gradually digitizing my game collection as sales become available)

It took everything I had to resist Batman: Arkham City and Spec Ops: The Line, but I'd prefer to own those titles on console. I tend to prefer action-adventure and FPS titles that feel better with controllers on the PS3, particularly if graphics aren't a selling point.

I'm glad I waited about a month for XCOM. Doing so basically freed up the amount of cash I just used for all the games I got in addition to XCOM. God bless you, Steam.

Ramary 11-27-2012 09:10 PM

The Walking Dead
KOTOR 2
Cave Story
AOE3
Serious Sam 3 DLC
Max Payne 1 and 2
To the Moon
Hotline Miami
McPixel
Dragon age origins
The basement collection
Orcs must die 2
Analouge: A hate story
Half Minute Hero
Castle Crashers

And I gave
Toki Tori
Puzzle Quest
eXceed
SANIC
3 copies of Castle Crashers
Orcs Must Die 2
and Hotline Miami
To people as gifts.


So a usual sale for me.

Kim 11-27-2012 09:28 PM

Only thing I got that I didn't have before was the Analogue soundtrack.

akaSM 11-28-2012 12:21 AM

I got SANIC and Castle Crashers.

FOR FREE!

ORISIT?

Aldurin 11-28-2012 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by akaSM (Post 1217234)
I got SANIC and Castle Crashers.

FOR FREE!

ORISIT?

Depends on which Sanic, but since people have been smart enough to not make a PC port of the-sonic-game-we-shall-not-acknowledge, the toll on your soul will be minimal.

Flarecobra 11-28-2012 01:20 AM

DiRT: Showdown (It's demo derby modes are just too fun.)

Scribblenauts: Unlimited (Gifted)

Arcanum 11-28-2012 01:39 AM

MTG: 2013 (and expansion)
Deadlight (kind of regret this one. Game was short, controls were sluggish, minimal replay value, story is kind of meh)
Space Pirates And Zombies
Orcs Must Die 2 Complete
Spec-Ops: The Line (got it through Gamefly courtesy of Bells' post, and saved even more)

Hotline Miami
Castle Crashers
^These last two I got from Ramary, and I got him Iron Brigade.

Melfice 11-28-2012 11:36 AM

Farming Simulator 2013 (and it's surprisingly fun too! If you just want to relax after mercilessly murdering mofos online, play this.)
Amnesia: The Dark Descent (And I still hate myself for buying it. Haven't seen anything really scary yet, and I'm already hesitant of playing it again. XD )
Crusader Kings II
The Walking Dead

Not too bad.

DarkDrgon 11-28-2012 11:37 AM

Awesomenauts 3 pack
Sonic Generations
Crusader Kings 2
Shogun: Total War

not too bad, I also tried to play Planetside 2 and my computer nearly caught fire

Solid Snake 11-28-2012 04:01 PM

Yyyyyeeeesssss people to play CKII with

Revising Ocelot 11-28-2012 04:30 PM

Darksiders 2
Borderlands 1 DLC

Mostly restrained myself for the winter sale. Somehow.



(Let's see, Dark Souls, Dishonored, XCOM, Hotline Miami... maybe AssCreed 3 if that ever goes on UK Steam and it goes on discount, but neither will probably happen. Also musn't forget impulse buys! Damned impulse buys. Impulse bought the Witcher 1&2 LAST Christmas and still haven't got around to playing them yet)

DarkDrgon 11-29-2012 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid Snake (Post 1217289)
Yyyyyeeeesssss people to play CKII with

yeah... im about 3 hours in and have no idea what I'm doing. at all. I did the tutorials and read the begginers intro on the wiki, but there was NO help

rpgdemon 11-29-2012 11:24 PM

Oh, by the way, I have an idea for you people who are addicted to buying games at discount prices:

Buy them as gifts. That way, if you DON'T play them, you can "cash out", as it were in trading.


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