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Bought XCOM a couple days ago for $30. Most expensive purchase I've made on Steam and despite that it feels like it was most valuable in terms of the amount of hours I've already sunk into the game.
I feel like you always get those situations with Steam where you buy something on Steam based off the hype around it because it's on sale for cheap but you never end up playing it that much when you do buy it. Thankfully XCOM has been more than worth it although my College Writing final paper isn't too happy about my enjoyment with the game right now. |
i try very much to focus any purchases i make on steam in the "Multiplayer" group, just cause that for me, it's where i'm going to get more value from. Also makes it easier to dodge some sales if they are for games that none of my friends have or don't have multiplayer at all.
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I consider myself having bought half a game, insofar as it's the expansion to Civ 5.
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I'm with Kim. I don't get why Steam sales are so addicting to people.
I have a back log of games to play, and not much time, so I don't even bother looking, since I'm too lazy to look at prices or try to find games that I might play. |
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DISHONORED IS 50% OFF CIVILIZATION V IS 75% OFF TORCHLIGHT II FOR $10 ARKHAM CITY GOTY EDITION FOR $7.50 Fuck you Steam Just seriously now For the sake of my bleeding goddamn wallet Fuck. Yyyyyoooouuuuu |
Who wants to co-op Orcs Must Die 2 with me? (since karesh is still a jerk)
Leave your co-op résumé on my desk and I will consider my options. |
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Not that I'm in the throes of shopping madness or anything, but I'd like some opinions before I make a purchase here. Orcs Must Die 2 is on a daily deal: I have the original on my wishlist cuz I haven't played either one. Do you guys think the first or the second game is better? Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go buy Quantum Conundrum, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, and whatever I can't force myself to wait until Tuesday to buy to see if it goes any lower in price. EDIT: Quote:
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Mauve from what I know of it, the second game is the first game with more stuff and co-op. So it is better.
If you want in, I am buying the 2 pack of the complete edition since its cheaper then buying the base game at full price so I can just gift it to you. I mean I already gave Arc Hotline Miami and aka SANIC, I am like Santa that is a month early. |
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I have played through Arkham City twice on the 360 (regular and new game +) and am working on my new game + playthrough on the PC. I also collected every riddler trophy in the pc version and I hate hidden collectibles in games. And I'm still having fun with the game. So basically, BUY ARKHAM CITY, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE READING THIS, GO BUY IT NOW.
edit- Also I was gonna buy the Quantum Conundrum DLC but when I go to check out it tells me I already have it. I guess when I pre-ordered the game I got the season pass edition and just completely forgot. So yay I have new content to play! |
Along that same vein, does anyone know if Quantum Conundrum can run on Vista? Steam says minimum requirement is Windows 7, but other websites say minimum req is XP.
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I have played neither batman game, and to be perfectly honest... I don't see myself playing them either. I've watched gameplay footage, and read up on them, and they just don't seem to fall into my "I'll play it." catagory.
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I'm gonna keep saying this, but get Analogue. It's amazingly well-written. The experience of learning about another culture via spaceship logs, the sexism of that culture being commented on by a character in the story, the background music... It's all just great. Plus, it's by a queer developer, and I'm gonna be honest and say I think queer developers are very much worth supporting when possible, because there need to be more of them in the industry. Just check the game out. It's great.
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...Done and done. Should I get Visual too? |
Fuck you Kim, now have to make a visual novel tab for my steam list. IT WAS PERFECT TILL YOU REMINDED ME THAT ANALOGUE WAS STILL AROUND.
Now if you excuse me I need to work 5 grueling seconds to fix my games list. |
...Shit I want to buy this universe simulator thing.
Is it worth it? NOTE: You only have an hour to respond get to it |
It's fun to derp around in. Like once I managed to transfer the Solar System from the Milky Way to the Large Magellenic Cloud.
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Since it's now a Flash Deal and because I'm desperate to actually play a multiplayer session of this game with folks I know, I'll strongly recommend Crusader Kings II, an addictive strategy game that's akin to Total War except you control a ruling dynastic family instead of a nation, and you're able to more intimately influence politics, religion, the economy and military matters.
If you like games like Total War or if you've played Paradox titles before, CKII is a very similar medieval strategy simulator with a beautiful aesthetic design, a challenging degree of difficulty and an interface that's simultaneously easy to learn but complex and difficult to master. There are a few social-justice related concerns with the game that merit mentioning: * In the interests of 'historical authenticity,' characters with the 'homosexual' trait receive a fairly significant penalty to their Diplomacy and Fertility stats, which in turn leads to gameplay benefits being derived from murdering or de-legitimizing gay heirs (because your heterosexual heirs with otherwise equal stats are statistically predisposed to have happier reigns and more children.) Fortunately, you can choose to ignore this incentive and rule your Kingdom as a 21st Century progressive monarchy, and your gay ruler can become legendary (and sleep with hordes of lovers) if you play well. Furthermore, you can choose to Mod the penalty out of existence, but those modded values won't carry over into online multiplayer games. * In the interests of 'historical authenticity,' most women are relegated to supporting roles -- though it is technically possible to procure and play as a female heir, doing so is very difficult unless you're murdering all your sons, grandsons and brothers to ensure your eldest daughter (or sister) takes control. And, female rulers, like homosexuals, suffer a penalty to their Diplomacy stat. If your ruler is a lesbian, you get both penalties, and it becomes very difficult to stay in power unless she has offsetting traits like 'Genius' or 'Kind.' These have been relatively minor matters in my own playthroughs because, if you're progressive enough as a player, you can just choose to ignore play through the structural limitations. In fact, it's fun to play CKII with gay and female Kings and Queens in an overt attempt to piss on 'historical authenticity.' And when it comes to matters of race, CKII does the best job of any historical strategy game I've played of including unique Muslim, Mongol and African factions. The Muslim kingdoms and empires in particular don't feel like afterthoughts, and playing as them is lots of fun. |
So gameplay mechanics that portray the bias and prejudice of that time period are a concern? Those same mechanics that you can ignore or even embrace and that only limit you if you're trying to do a min-maxed playthrough? Are there honestly people out there that think a game striving for social and political realism situated in the 11th century should not portray the biases of that time and instead be unrealistically progressive?
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I'm pretty sure that by that definition Civilization is also "socially unjust"
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Like if we're talking 'true historical accuracy' here, you could be a homosexual ruler and face relatively little consequence unless you flaunted a so-called 'decadent' lifestyle in the face of the church. Most gay rulers, given the power they had access to, were perfectly able to dabble with lovers 'on the side' without facing any significant consequence. In that sense they had far greater latitude than the peasantry. The real problem with this mechanic in CKII from a 'historical authenticity' perspective is that the mere act of being born homosexual automatically leads to the penalty. There's no conscious decision-making involved where, say, I could accept the penalty for my character if I chose to flaunt a gay relationship publicly in front of religious figures. And the penalty is grossly exaggerated in effect -- if you're ruling a major Kingdom or Empire with lots of vassals, the mere fact that the King is gay and visiting male lovers in secret will result in mass uprisings, even if all his other stats are generally positive. Vassals are prickly in this game. But the warning is really intended for people who might, say, emotionally react to the notion that their gay character might be murdered (by an opposing vassal with the 'Zealous' trait, for example) merely for being gay. I'm sure regardless of any interest in 'historical authenticity' it's possible for those who've suffered under oppression to find a game insufferable if it seems hellbent on reminding them how terrible being gay or female was in prior centuries under the patriarchy. Personally, I wouldn't mind the 'historical accuracy' stuff if there was an option to toggle them off. Given that the entire point of the game is that you can take history in crazy directions by -- say -- re-establishing the Roman Empire, dethroning the Pope and establishing heresy as a dominant religion, or conquering Europe as a Muslim nation, the idea that you could play an a-historical game in which homosexuality was legalized or women were treated as equals in one's kingdom seems relevant and permissible. |
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It's possible to include homosexuality and mistreatment of gay people and be a progressive game. Analogue: A Hate Story actually does that. It also does the same thing for sexism. This works because there are in-game elements that show the bigotry itself as being a bad thing. No such commentary exists within Crusader Kings II, as far as I know. As a result, the game gains nothing by making homophobia a part of the experience. Because it gains nothing by doing this, it should not have done so. |
You're doin that logic thing again, Arcanum. Stop that silliness right now!
Unrelated note: I am very pleased with Torchlight 2. Its fun value is inversely proportional to Diablo 3's lack thereof. It doesnt try to be anything that it isnt. Torchlight 2 simply takes what it did before and does it even better while addressing the minor issues the first one had. |
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I have magistrate authority with all regards to Bein' Cool, and making comments to try and get under someone's skin isn't very cool. Snake's not asking everyone to agree with his perspective. I do, but he's not asking people to. Snake said a game had issues. He explained the issues as he saw them. That the issues he sees are social justice issues does not give people carte blanche to be jerks about it, okay? |
I agree with Kim. If the game has nothing to gain by the inclusion, and it doesn't actually accurately reflect history or help inform people about prejudices and biases, then logically, there should be no reason for it to be in the game, and there should be no reason to complain about people questioning it's inclusion.
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For example, if you're ruling as King, and you have a gay son as heir, you can kill that son and retain positive traits such as 'Kind' or 'Charitable'. (Granted, you can kill your straight sons -- or daughters -- with similar lack of consequences.) Despite the fact that 'events' in which your character is given CYOA-style choices are popularly used in the game, there's no 'event' or 'choice' in which your King character would express any regret or remorse for committing such a horrific crime. That fundamental disconnect permeates the game. There's no negative consequence for ruling as a homophobic, misogynistic bigot -- and in fact, events conjured in efforts to stimulate 'historical accuracy' include ones where your ruler receives positive benefits (and comparatively few actual consequences) for condoning this. As such, while it's easy to attempt to play through CKII as an enlightened progressive ruling Enlightened Progressiveville -- I once had my gay King exclusively promote other homosexuals into open high-ranking baronies because why not -- it's also easy to imagine that CKII is using 'historical accuracy' as an excuse to cater to the fantasies of privileged white men who wish they could live as a King in medieval times, declare war against Muslim infidels, sleep with all the peasant girls, cultivate 'perfect' heirs with exclusively 'positive' traits, and torture all the prisoners. I'm so sorry that this discussion has offended your precious sensibilities, by the way. I'll be sure to never mention social justice issues in any context again lest you feel offended, because certainly any offense you might take is far more egregious than the offense a gay person and/or a woman might take in playing a 'historically accurate' game that tells him/her that s/he's subhuman and that they were born with 'negative traits.' |
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Man, I don't know. I always liked Titan Quest and how much variety the game had, now I'm used to it and everything else just feels underwhelming. On Crusader Kings 2: To be fair, medieval times were pretty bad. It's why artistic license is so common in games that have them for a setting. |
what am i missing here if the Crusader Kings II wiki states that the Homosexual Trait only reduces fertility by 15% and nothing else ?
You sure you did your homework on that one? |
In Which Bells claims he knows more than the guy who's played 400+ hours of CKII
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Given that I own the game and have ruled with homosexual rulers before, I can assure you of that. Actually play the game and select a vassal while you have a Homosexual ruler. Check his opinion of you, which is a number that ranges from +100 to -100. You'll see an "Is Homosexual" penalty that corresponds with a negative number (usually -10 or -15 or so.) Hence, a negative penalty to diplomacy. Your vassals literally have a worse opinion of their ruler if their ruler is female or gay. And that penalty to fertility is more than enough of a downside when the game ACTUALLY ENDS if you die and don't have an heir. (Translation: If you have two sons and the elder is gay while the younger is not, you have a sheer statistical incentive to kill off or disenfranchise the gay heir to increase your odds that your heir will have children and the game will continue.) EDIT: Check the bottom of this screen here for proof, yo. |
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Could it have handled the homophobia better? Based on Snake's analysis, yeah probably. Should it have been left out? I don't think so. Doing so could be seen as ignoring a significant issue, and people would have complained about the lack of homosexuality (because people complain about everything). -after hitting "preview post" and seeing a bunch more posts- Quote:
Likewise having traits like "homophobic" and "racist" that lower relations with those people would have been a nice inclusion to show that their actions aren't without consequences. But here I'm getting into hypothetical game design of a game I know very little about so I'll just stop here. On my simulation comments earlier in this post, in hindsight they are pretty dumb since the game doesn't simulate negative consequences for such negative actions. I will still leave the original comments there because writing all this out and re-reading a bunch of these posts have helped me understand your side of the issue better. Quote:
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This fits in with a history of behavior from yourself and others wherein whenever the subject of media and social justice is broached, you make an effort to dismiss or otherwise trivialize the complaints of those taking issue. In a thread where Snake has already been mockingly called illogical for taking note of this content, he is going to have even less patience for this behavior than normal. This is exacerbated by similar such behavior in another thread this very day. A group of people, which include yourself, have been trying his patience and treating him disrespectfully. I do not believe you honestly expected any other result. If you expect Snake to treat you with respect, you ought first treat him and the things he says with more respect than you have been. This goes out to all of you. |
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I wasn't the slightest bit snarky when I was made the original post you all responded to, which merely elucidated that Crusader Kings II (a game I like, by the way, and one I'm usually more eager to defend) is saddled with a fair share of issues related to social justice concerns that might caution against its purchase.
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Yes, I'm sure I "did my homework" on that one. And yes, by the time we had gotten that far -- by the time I had already elucidated in three separate posts my line of reasoning -- I finally gave in to temptation and decided to inject some snark because you were already tossing out your zingers at me for daring to suggest that a game I actually LIKE has genuine issues. And no, I shouldn't have to justify every attempt I make to preface recommendations for videogames with a social-justice related disclaimer. This is the kind of attitude and behavior that makes talking about issues like sexism and homophobia utterly impossible here at NPF. |
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That was directed at Skweeb. I did lose my cool there. I felt Skweeb's comment crossed a line. The previous post I wrote -- one where I didn't lose my cool -- was one that directly quoted and responded to you. I'm not even sure if you commented after that (I don't think you did, at least not until now.) |
Look, you're givin me too much credit for tryin to stir up shit. I agree that the mechanics of some aspects of the game are silly and illogical, and frankly downright stupid in execution. Trying to make sense why they made it so is the illogical part i was alluding to.
If i really wanted to stir up shit i'd say something like "all we need now is someone to bring up entitlement so i can claim social justice bingo!" So, if what i said is soooo offensive, then i apologize on that one. |
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They'd be wrong, but there are reasons why they were wrong in their approach that can be perceived and understood. Any 'illogical stupidity' from Paradox in their game doesn't immunize the product from criticism, for that matter. I don't buy your explanation that you weren't trying to start controversy, by the way. Even your half-assed attempt at an 'apology' right there is offensive. |
Christ this shit's gettin ridiculous, i'm out. Take the half-assed attempt or not, I dont particularly care either way 'cause that's all that is going to be given.
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Please return to the topic of outrageous holiday deals on video games.
If you want to continue discussing the problematic nature of Crusader Kings II: Bigotry Boogaloo, you may feel free to make a thread for that if you are able to remain respectful and reasonable in the process. |
Will do sir.
Anyone intrested in Castle Crashers? I remember kinda liking it on the xbox and might get a 4 pack to keep making people feel indebted to me. |
Comrades! I hear of a place beyond the Great Valve Wall! A land where deals are in abundance, not just one day or two but all year round! Let us raise our banners! Let us shout our battle cry! Tonight the wall falls! Tonight... Tonight we know freedom.
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Today is the last sale day (although, possibly, there's one more round of flash sales to come), so it's time to hoover up all the things you haven't bought yet in case they went on a daily deal.
Also, Bastion's on flash sale right now. You won't spend a better $4. |
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So count me in on that 4 pack if you get it. I'll even toss $3.75 (15/4=that) your way (or get you a game that's at that price). |
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Still need one more for castle crashing though. I swear I won't demand you to pay me back in organs.
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Dig everywhere!
I already have it on Xbox Live, and my interest in it didn't last past beating it once.
It is still fun to play with friends, though, so hopefully that doesn't sound too discouraging. |
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I expect damage reports when all this is done. I'm saving at least three purchases for Christmas, was going to be two but Dark Souls didn't pop up. And I still need to steal a 360 controller for that, anyway. |
Dark souls was 20 bucks on amazon a few weeks ago.
It is an okay price right now if you are interested, it is basically a steam code. |
My gift to all is that you don't have to go to Kotaku to read this
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BY THE WAY http://www.gamefly.com/Download-Spec...#axzz2DNOLRa8e SPEC Op the Line - UNDER $8 FRIGGIN BUCKS!! |
I was waiting for the last round of flash sales to see if spec-op dropped any further, but this saves me the waiting time. Thanks Bells!
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Inb4 someone plays the game alone...or the team goes poof *coughborderlandscough*
If no one has taken the 4th slot of the castle crashing game, I'm in.
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Okay kids, the sale is over; wallets everywhere breathe a collective sigh of relief. They are safe--FOR NOW.
Time to post your damages from Steam Autumn Sale 2012. I ended up with: To The Moon Deus Ex: Human Revolution Penny Arcade Adventures: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 1&2 Batman Arkham City DLC: Harley Quinn's Revenge And I got Orcs Must Die 2! as a gift. Total cost= just under $20 |
I got away mostly unscathed- didn't buy anything until the last day to mop up some of the unlisted deals. (This is only because Ys Origin didn't get a higher discount than 50%- in which case I would have bought it with fury)
Damage report: The EXceed collection, 3 bullet hell shooters Puzzle Quest which I've wanted ever since someone posted the demo on this very forum many years ago Toki Tori because it was cheaper than eating so why not Just under a month to wait until the next one. Definitely getting Ys then. |
Civ 5: Gods and Kings
Castle Crashers Honestly there really wasn't a lot that interested me in this sale. |
My bounty:
XCOM: Enemy Unknown To The Moon Psychonauts Analogue: A Hate Story Medieval II: Total War (technically I've owned that title already and have for years, but my discs were getting rusty, it was on sale, and I'm gradually digitizing my game collection as sales become available) It took everything I had to resist Batman: Arkham City and Spec Ops: The Line, but I'd prefer to own those titles on console. I tend to prefer action-adventure and FPS titles that feel better with controllers on the PS3, particularly if graphics aren't a selling point. I'm glad I waited about a month for XCOM. Doing so basically freed up the amount of cash I just used for all the games I got in addition to XCOM. God bless you, Steam. |
The Walking Dead
KOTOR 2 Cave Story AOE3 Serious Sam 3 DLC Max Payne 1 and 2 To the Moon Hotline Miami McPixel Dragon age origins The basement collection Orcs must die 2 Analouge: A hate story Half Minute Hero Castle Crashers And I gave Toki Tori Puzzle Quest eXceed SANIC 3 copies of Castle Crashers Orcs Must Die 2 and Hotline Miami To people as gifts. So a usual sale for me. |
Only thing I got that I didn't have before was the Analogue soundtrack.
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I got SANIC and Castle Crashers.
FOR FREE! ORISIT? |
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DiRT: Showdown (It's demo derby modes are just too fun.)
Scribblenauts: Unlimited (Gifted) |
MTG: 2013 (and expansion)
Deadlight (kind of regret this one. Game was short, controls were sluggish, minimal replay value, story is kind of meh) Space Pirates And Zombies Orcs Must Die 2 Complete Spec-Ops: The Line (got it through Gamefly courtesy of Bells' post, and saved even more) Hotline Miami Castle Crashers ^These last two I got from Ramary, and I got him Iron Brigade. |
Farming Simulator 2013 (and it's surprisingly fun too! If you just want to relax after mercilessly murdering mofos online, play this.)
Amnesia: The Dark Descent (And I still hate myself for buying it. Haven't seen anything really scary yet, and I'm already hesitant of playing it again. XD ) Crusader Kings II The Walking Dead Not too bad. |
Awesomenauts 3 pack
Sonic Generations Crusader Kings 2 Shogun: Total War not too bad, I also tried to play Planetside 2 and my computer nearly caught fire |
Yyyyyeeeesssss people to play CKII with
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Darksiders 2
Borderlands 1 DLC Mostly restrained myself for the winter sale. Somehow. (Let's see, Dark Souls, Dishonored, XCOM, Hotline Miami... maybe AssCreed 3 if that ever goes on UK Steam and it goes on discount, but neither will probably happen. Also musn't forget impulse buys! Damned impulse buys. Impulse bought the Witcher 1&2 LAST Christmas and still haven't got around to playing them yet) |
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Oh, by the way, I have an idea for you people who are addicted to buying games at discount prices:
Buy them as gifts. That way, if you DON'T play them, you can "cash out", as it were in trading. |
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