So, just to clarify.
You accused me of not knowing what the hell I was talking about
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Calm down big fella... i did answer it earlier. You simply got it wrong. Plot point, character traits, character descriptions, episode structure.... you show a minimal underlining understanding of the show you are thoroughly commenting stuff on, that isn't there or is simply completely wrong.
I'm not even saying if i agree with you or not, i'm saying you are literally talking about it like someone who saw those "commercial snipts promoting new seasons" a couple of times in a year and made a profound analyses of the show in dept out of just that...
If you really want to form an opinion of this show, do as i suggested, rent a season, give it a look... right now you are all over the place and really really wrong. I promise you, your skin will not burn, your eyes will not bleed, your credit rating will not go down... but right now, be right or wrong, you really have no idea what you're talking about...
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…Which, by the way, is an objectively wrong characterization of my degree of knowledge of
The Big Bang Theory.
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I've probably watched about a dozen episodes in full and snippets of another ten or episodes while my parents and/or siblings controlled the television.
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you are literally talking about it like someone who saw those "commercial snipts promoting new seasons" a couple of times in a year and made a profound analyses of the show in dept out of just that...
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The misrepresentation of mine that you seized upon was that I typed this sentence:
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So he is 'shy' (antisocial) around women, but the reasoning given for said shyness is even worse than simply being shy because it perpetuates the myth that Alcohol Solves All Problems.
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Which you disputed because, in your words:
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The show never pounces on his shyness, it never makes light or pokes fun of his disorder. he is never anti-social (he is actually the most social of the group), but he has a social disorder played for comedic effect because this is a sitcom about dysfunctional "fish out of water" people ...like pretty much all sitcoms ever. Leonard being the closest thing to the "straight man" role to serve as mirror to the others.
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You likewise point out that the show isn’t advocating that “Alcohol Solves All Problems” because there are occasionally negative repercussions to Raj’s reliance on alcohol. That’s okay, though I directly responded to that argument here:
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I do think it is reasonable for me to have referred to Raj's condition in the show as promoting a message that Alcohol Cures All Problems when alcohol is used for exactly that purpose, and alcohol has no similar effect for actual individuals with Selective Mutism in real life. Alcohol is presented as a cure-all when it really isn't.
The fact that Raj suffers occasional consequences for his reliance upon alcohol to speak to women does not refute the fact that alcohol is necessary for him to speak in the first place, when it shouldn't be.
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You didn’t really respond to that yet.
Only, the bottom line is that you’re really assuming that I was attempting to make an argument I wasn’t making at all:
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Then there's the episodes where Raj is concerned that his Indian parents will hate him because they might think he's gay, and how Raj's shyness around women is portrayed as a sign of homosexuality, and how over-the-top offended Raj is when anyone asks if he's gay. It's all played for laughs, with the joke generally being how fucking awful it'd be if Raj were perceived as gay.To be heterosexual is a badge of honor, one of the few 'normal' things Raj can rightfully claim, and therefore to be defended at all costs.
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You’ve conceded that Raj is in fact ‘shy.’ You’ve either agreed outright or chosen to simply ignore the related commentary I’ve made regarding misogyny and homophobia in other scenes . Yet you still think it’s appropriate to have essentially trolled – yes,
trolled me not once but twice previously when responding to my comments. First you gave a glib TL:DR quip (ironic since you’ve actually typed walls just as long as mine in this thread), then instead of engaging me on the merits on my arguments you said, and I quote:
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... but right now, be right or wrong, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
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And now you’re debating around in circles regarding Raj’s Selective Mutism. When it’s beneficial for you to rely on the diagnosis of a real disorder, you do so. When it’s beneficial for you to rely on “comedic exaggeration” as justification for
RAJ’S MUTISM NOT ACTUALLY RESEMBLING THE ACTUAL DISORDER you do so and brazenly contradict yourself in the process. You can’t rely upon the defense that Raj’s disorder is ‘real’ as a justification of the sitcom’s approach to Raj, then claim that the exaggerations are for comedic effect WHEN YOU SAID:
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The show never pounces on his shyness, it never makes light or pokes fun of his disorder.
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…Do you see the inherent contradiction here? In your words the show never “pokes fun at his disorder,” but we’ve just established
HIS DISORDER IS DELIBERATELY EXAGGERATED FOR COMEDIC EFFECT. If the disorder is deliberately exaggerated for comedic effect, then yes, that decision was deliberately made to poke fun at an imaginary version of Selective Mutism which alcohol mysteriously temporarily alleviates so that the audience can laugh when Raj gets drunk to solve his problems, and laugh at Raj when he's sober and incapable of speaking.
Okay, I’m calling it like I see it.
Bells: You are trolling. You are trolling in this topic for the mere sake of being antagonistic. You are creating conflict for the mere sake of enjoying the subsequent conflicts. You’re more interested in antagonizing others than you are in actually advancing substantive arguments in defense of Big Bang Theory. Because there isn’t any substance whatsoever here.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I rest my case.