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IHateMakingNames 07-15-2004 08:49 PM

Your EXP starts at 650 (It's the points you use for everything).

Edit - SAAM, you've got 44 points left.

Krylo 07-15-2004 09:14 PM

I'm looking over things, and I would REALLY add some rolls for hitting/missing with magic. It's kind of silly that just because someone dodged a fireball once they'd be able to do it 1000 times in a row.

Also:

Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Fighter

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [28] (35)
Mana: 5 [4] (4)
Strength: 8 [70] (10)
Defense: 8 [70] (10)
Magic: 8 [70] (6)
Agility: 8 [70] (10)
Speed: 8 [70] (10)
Stamina: 8 [70] (10)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [72] (6)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Unarmed: 1 (2)

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 80

Name: Test Dark Elf
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Fighter

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furless arms, because elves don't have hair.
Legs: Amazement that a girly little elf-boy has a penis.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 40 [38] (48)
Mana: 5 [4] (4)
Strength: 11 [66] (14)
Defense: 11 [66] (14)
Magic: 8 [70] (6)
Agility: 11 [66] (14)
Speed: 11 [66] (14)
Stamina: 11 [66] (14)
Appearance: 7 [56] (7)
Charisma: 5 [70] (5)
Resistance: 11 [67] (9)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 30
Holy: -50
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Unarmed: 1 (2)
Intimidation: 2

Net stats, not counting HP and Mana: 97



Without the bonuses from class, there's still an 11 point stat gap with the Dark Elf leading the humans with 86, while the humans trail at 74.

So, yah.

You need to rebalance at LEAST the dark elves.

I spent less points on stats for that guy, ended up with more hp (due to 10 points left over), and better skills.

Edit: I'm going to go make a class-less character from every race, to see how they hold up, then I'm going to make a human of every class to see how they're balanced out.

Edit 2: Just realized that I forgot resistance starts at 0, so I fixed that. It only worsens the problem, however, causing the human to lose 2 hp to compensate, while the dark elf only lost one. That's before class. After class the hp loss to the humans is worse.

IHateMakingNames 07-15-2004 09:21 PM

Edit - Nevermind, I'll let you do that first. Then I'll change races.

Also, a 6 in appearance is not bland, it means something about you is not pleasant to look at.


Edit 2 - Heh, krylo's doing all the work for me... Sure, it's to prove that this system sucks and I butchered his, but work is work.

And I had originally planned for spells to be much faster, then changed it. I'll throw in some rolls.

Also, based on what he does, I might add levels, and classes give extra points per level to spend.


Edit 3 0Because I finally remembered to, the types of guns that exist are rifles. Just rifles.

Krylo 07-15-2004 10:44 PM

Quote:

Also, a 6 in appearance is not bland, it means something about you is not pleasant to look at.
I only changed the name between the two there. I'm lazy.

Also, I'm adding a without out appearance, or w/out app, category, because appearance is calculated differently.

That said:

Human w/out app: 64
Drow w/out app: 79


Name:
Age:
Class:
Race: High Elf
Appearance: (Directly affected by your Appearance stat)
Bio:

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1:
Weapon #2/Shield:
Head:
Body:
Arms:
Legs:
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:
Total weight: (I'll do this)

Life: 33
Mana: 5
Strength: 6 [102]
Defense: 5 [56]
Magic: 14 [70]
Agility: 11 [66]
Speed: 8 [70]
Stamina: 8 [70]
Appearance: 14 [52]
Charisma: 5 [56]
Resistance: 11 (67)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 82
W/out app: 68

Name:
Age:
Class:
Race: Wood Elf
Appearance: (Directly affected by your Appearance stat)
Bio:

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1:
Weapon #2/Shield:
Head:
Body:
Arms:
Legs:
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:
Total weight: (I'll do this)

Life: 38
Mana: 5
Strength: 6 [111]
Defense: 6 [80]
Magic: 11 [66]
Agility: 16 [68]
Speed: 11 [66]
Stamina: 5 [56]
Appearance: 14 [52]
Charisma: 11 [66]
Resistance: 5 [56]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 10
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 85
W/out App: 71

Name:
Age:
Class:
Race: Dwarf
Appearance: (Directly affected by your Appearance stat)
Bio:

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1:
Weapon #2/Shield:
Head:
Body:
Arms:
Legs:
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:
Total weight: (I'll do this)

Life: 33
Mana: 5
Strength: 14 [70]
Defense: 14 [70]
Magic: 6 [80]
Agility: 6 [93]
Speed: 5 [56]
Stamina: 16 [68]
Appearance: 7 [54]
Charisma: 10 [70]
Resistance: 11 [66]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 10
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 89
w/out app: 82

Race: Orc

Life: 39 [39]
Mana: 5 [4]
Strength: 14 [70]
Defense: 16 [68]
Magic: 5 [75]
Agility: 8 [70]
Speed: 8 [70]
Stamina: 8 [70]
Appearance: 5 [56]
Charisma: 4 [72]
Resistance: 8 [70]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 76
Stats w/out app: 71

Race: Goblin
85
Life: 40 [40]
Mana: 8 [7]
Strength: 6 [80]
Defense: 6 [80]
Magic: 6 [80]
Agility: 8 [70]
Speed: 8 [70]
Stamina: 5 [56]
Appearance: 7 [54]
Charisma: 5 [56]
Resistance: 5 [56]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Race: Ogre

Life: 38 [19]
Mana: 5 [4]
Strength: 18 [68]
Defense: 18 [68]
Magic: 6 [80]
Agility: 5 [102]
Speed: 5 [56]
Stamina: 14 [70]
Appearance: 5 [56]
Charisma: 5 [56]
Resistance: 8 [70]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 85
W/out App: 79

IHateMakingNames 07-15-2004 10:54 PM

That all seems fairish... Besides Dark Elves, because they were basically average on all, but higher then humans.

Krylo 07-15-2004 11:08 PM

Dark elves, Humans, and Ogres are all unbalanced. Ogres have just as much stat goodness as Dark Elves, and Humans are stuck at 64 w/out appearance, while the other races hover close to 70.

Otherwise, yah, pretty close. Just give the humans some sort of advantage to even out the 6 stat points they're missing. Maybe a few extra exp, or something.

IHateMakingNames 07-15-2004 11:11 PM

Here are the new Dark Elves and Ogres.

Dark Elves – ½ for strength, ½ for defense, ½ for agility, 1.5x for resistance, 2x for magic, 2x for appearance, 5x for charisma. +2 to intimidation, 30 in Dark resistance, -50 in Light resistance.

Ogre – 1/5 strength, 1/4 defense, ½ life, 1/3 stamina, 2x magic, 5x agility, 2x speed, 4x appearance, 2x charisma. +3 to intimidation

I haven't decided how to boost humans though.

Krylo 07-15-2004 11:17 PM

Just one small nitpick... why do dark elves take a hit to appearance? In most fantasy universes they're considered to be just as attractive as their light skinned brethern, but they're not liked (which would be a charisma thing, I would think)/feared.

I'd drop appearance to base, and then just drop defense or strength to 3/4.

Edit: Also, dwarves are better than dark elves or ogres. Almost missed that.

IHateMakingNames 07-15-2004 11:20 PM

I always though Dark Elves were uglier then the other elves, because they live in the dark. Dark Elves remind me of the dark side jedis, who are twisted and wierd looking.

Krylo 07-15-2004 11:21 PM

Nah, they look like normal elves, 'cept black with white hair and red eyes... at least in every fantasy thing I've read.

Also, see the above edits, and it's time to make a new thread.


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