Here's the fixed version.

Name: (Coming Soon)
Age: 32
Class: Blade Singer
Race: Half Human-Half Wood Elf
Appearance: (Will finish later)
Bio: (Not yet)

Equipment
Weapon #1: Iron Longsword
Weapon #2/Shield: None
Head: Headband
Body: Studded Leather Armor
Arms: Leather Arm Band
Legs: None
Other #1: Energy Ring (Mana +5)
Other #2: None
Other #3: None
Total weight:

Life: 58 (44) 49 pts.
Mana: 5 (5) 4 pts. (+5 from Energy Ring=10)
Strength: 8 (10) 140 pts.
Defense: 9 (6) 88 pts.
Magic: 4 (4) 18 pts.
Agility: 13 (26) 60 pts.
Speed: 8 (12) 70 pts.
Stamina: 8 (8) 70 pts.
Appearance: 8 (8) 35 pts.
Charisma: 8 (8) 70 pts.
Resistance: 2 (2) 6 pts.
Fire 10 (10)
Water 0 (0)
Cold 0 (0)
Lightning 10 (10)
Nature 20 (20)
Dark 0 (0)
Holy 0 (0)
Poison 0 (0)
Curses 0 (0)
Random 0 (0)
Seduction 0 (0)

Skills
Sword- 5 (7) 15 pts.
Single Weapon Blocking- 4 (4) 10 pts.
Animals- 1 (1)
Dodge- 5 (8) 15 pts.

Ok, I'll put a ! by stats that changed (not the point values you corrected though)

!Life: 31 (31) [31]
Mana: 9 (9) [12]
Strength 6 (6) [80]
Defense: 6 (5) [80]
Magic: 6 (6) [80]
Agility 8 (11) [70]
!Speed: 8 (10) [70]
Stamina 6 (5) [84]
!Appearance: 8(8) [35]
!Charisma 4(4) [18]
Resistance: 0
Water:
Cold
Lightning
Nature
Dark
Holy
Poison: 20(20)
Curses: 20(20)
Random
Seduction -40 (-40)


Skills
Guns: 5+10(goblin bonus)+3(gunner bonus)= 18 [15]
Explosives 3+10(goblin bonus)=13 [6]
Machines: 4+10(goblin bonus)=14 [10]
Aiming: 4+3 (gunner bonus)=7[10]

You have everything right, but for two stats you wrote your points out wrong (Appearance is 70 and Charisma is 36), but you have it all right.

so according to you I had 64 more points revised my charicter looks thusly. Please comment on stat balncing problems if there are any.

Race: Human Class: Thief

Life: 20 (14)

Mana: 3 (3)

Strength: 5 (4)

Defense: 6 (4)

Magic: 1 (1)

Agility: 10 (17)

Speed: 8 (13)

Stamina: 5 (8)

Appearance: 14 (14)

Charisma: 10 (13)

Resistance: 5 (4)

Fire

Water:

Cold: 10

Lightning:

Nature:

Dark: 10

Holy:

Poison: 20

Curses: 10

Random: 10

Seduction: - 20



Skills:

Sword: 7 (7)

Stealth: 7 (10)

Thievery: 7 (11)

Dodging: 5 (6)

Spotting: 5 (7)

Locks: 5 (7)

Athletics: 5 (7)


Also I have a new wireless keyboard that is way more powerful then I thought it was supposed to be. I will now type the word "booyaka" from across my house thruogh closed doors and a wall. booyaka.

Life: 20
Mana: 0
Strength: 40
Defense: 40
Magic: 0
Agility: 108
Speed: 70
Stamina: 28
Appearance: 104
Charisma: 108
Resistance: 28

Sword: 36
Stealth: 28
Thievery: 28
Dodging: 15
Spooting: 15
Locks: 15
Athletics: 15

Total: 698 (48 points over)

Your 48 points over. Also, I got rid of the Appearance bonus for thieves.

Okay. For my second attempt, I will make the Dark Paladin/mage slayer.

Name: Pending
Age: Pending
Appearance: Pending
Bio: Pending

Equipment
Weapon 1: Shortsword
Weapon 2: Shortsword
Head: Long brimmed hat + bandana
Body: Iron Armor
Other: Cape

Life: 50 (60)
Mana: 30 (30)
Strength: 8 (10)
Defense: 6 (7)
Magic: 5 (5)
Agility: 5 (6)
Speed: 6 (6)
Stamina: 6 (6)
Appearance: 9 (9)
Charisma: 6 (6)
Resistance: 10 (15)

Water: 10 (25)
Air: 10 (25)
Cold: 20 (25)
Nature: 0 (10)
Fire: 20 (25)
Lightning: 10 (25)
Dark: 0 (50)
Light: 20 (-50)
Poison: 10 (25)
Curses: 0 (10)
Random: 0 (10)
Seduction: 0 (10)

Skills:
Sword: 6
Double Block: 6
Stealth: 5
Dodging: 4

Spells: Dark Blast

I did not add magic because I don't know how the 1.5x for mage slaying and 1/1.5 for Dark spells work.

How does that look IHMN?

Thanks to the ticker paper on my computer calculator I see I made a mistake on my strength and swords. Corrected via editing along with the apperence bonus gone.

What race are you?

Also, 1.5x for mage slaying spells means take the EXP cost of the spell (Let's say it's 100), then multiply it by 1.5, which is 50. So the spell cost 150 EXP to learn.

1/1.5 means take the spell (Let's say 100 again), and divide that by 1.5, which is 66.666666666666666


Edit - Joe, that's only 20 points you got rid of...

This system is complex but it will be worth it when we finaly get a hang of it.

[My stats are still flawed but I will fix it. Still 28 over.]

Human (sorry)
and Thank you for that...

I take it our EXP starts at 0.

Your EXP starts at 650 (It's the points you use for everything).

Edit - SAAM, you've got 44 points left.

I'm looking over things, and I would REALLY add some rolls for hitting/missing with magic. It's kind of silly that just because someone dodged a fireball once they'd be able to do it 1000 times in a row.

Also:

Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Fighter

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [28] (35)
Mana: 5 [4] (4)
Strength: 8 [70] (10)
Defense: 8 [70] (10)
Magic: 8 [70] (6)
Agility: 8 [70] (10)
Speed: 8 [70] (10)
Stamina: 8 [70] (10)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [72] (6)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Unarmed: 1 (2)

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 80

Name: Test Dark Elf
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Fighter

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furless arms, because elves don't have hair.
Legs: Amazement that a girly little elf-boy has a penis.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 40 [38] (48)
Mana: 5 [4] (4)
Strength: 11 [66] (14)
Defense: 11 [66] (14)
Magic: 8 [70] (6)
Agility: 11 [66] (14)
Speed: 11 [66] (14)
Stamina: 11 [66] (14)
Appearance: 7 [56] (7)
Charisma: 5 [70] (5)
Resistance: 11 [67] (9)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 30
Holy: -50
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Unarmed: 1 (2)
Intimidation: 2

Net stats, not counting HP and Mana: 97



Without the bonuses from class, there's still an 11 point stat gap with the Dark Elf leading the humans with 86, while the humans trail at 74.

So, yah.

You need to rebalance at LEAST the dark elves.

I spent less points on stats for that guy, ended up with more hp (due to 10 points left over), and better skills.

Edit: I'm going to go make a class-less character from every race, to see how they hold up, then I'm going to make a human of every class to see how they're balanced out.

Edit 2: Just realized that I forgot resistance starts at 0, so I fixed that. It only worsens the problem, however, causing the human to lose 2 hp to compensate, while the dark elf only lost one. That's before class. After class the hp loss to the humans is worse.

Edit - Nevermind, I'll let you do that first. Then I'll change races.

Also, a 6 in appearance is not bland, it means something about you is not pleasant to look at.


Edit 2 - Heh, krylo's doing all the work for me... Sure, it's to prove that this system sucks and I butchered his, but work is work.

And I had originally planned for spells to be much faster, then changed it. I'll throw in some rolls.

Also, based on what he does, I might add levels, and classes give extra points per level to spend.


Edit 3 0Because I finally remembered to, the types of guns that exist are rifles. Just rifles.

I only changed the name between the two there. I'm lazy.

Also, I'm adding a without out appearance, or w/out app, category, because appearance is calculated differently.

That said:

Human w/out app: 64
Drow w/out app: 79


Name:
Age:
Class:
Race: High Elf
Appearance: (Directly affected by your Appearance stat)
Bio:

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1:
Weapon #2/Shield:
Head:
Body:
Arms:
Legs:
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:
Total weight: (I'll do this)

Life: 33
Mana: 5
Strength: 6 [102]
Defense: 5 [56]
Magic: 14 [70]
Agility: 11 [66]
Speed: 8 [70]
Stamina: 8 [70]
Appearance: 14 [52]
Charisma: 5 [56]
Resistance: 11 (67)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 82
W/out app: 68

Name:
Age:
Class:
Race: Wood Elf
Appearance: (Directly affected by your Appearance stat)
Bio:

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1:
Weapon #2/Shield:
Head:
Body:
Arms:
Legs:
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:
Total weight: (I'll do this)

Life: 38
Mana: 5
Strength: 6 [111]
Defense: 6 [80]
Magic: 11 [66]
Agility: 16 [68]
Speed: 11 [66]
Stamina: 5 [56]
Appearance: 14 [52]
Charisma: 11 [66]
Resistance: 5 [56]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 10
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 85
W/out App: 71

Name:
Age:
Class:
Race: Dwarf
Appearance: (Directly affected by your Appearance stat)
Bio:

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1:
Weapon #2/Shield:
Head:
Body:
Arms:
Legs:
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:
Total weight: (I'll do this)

Life: 33
Mana: 5
Strength: 14 [70]
Defense: 14 [70]
Magic: 6 [80]
Agility: 6 [93]
Speed: 5 [56]
Stamina: 16 [68]
Appearance: 7 [54]
Charisma: 10 [70]
Resistance: 11 [66]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 10
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 89
w/out app: 82

Race: Orc

Life: 39 [39]
Mana: 5 [4]
Strength: 14 [70]
Defense: 16 [68]
Magic: 5 [75]
Agility: 8 [70]
Speed: 8 [70]
Stamina: 8 [70]
Appearance: 5 [56]
Charisma: 4 [72]
Resistance: 8 [70]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 76
Stats w/out app: 71

Race: Goblin
85
Life: 40 [40]
Mana: 8 [7]
Strength: 6 [80]
Defense: 6 [80]
Magic: 6 [80]
Agility: 8 [70]
Speed: 8 [70]
Stamina: 5 [56]
Appearance: 7 [54]
Charisma: 5 [56]
Resistance: 5 [56]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Race: Ogre

Life: 38 [19]
Mana: 5 [4]
Strength: 18 [68]
Defense: 18 [68]
Magic: 6 [80]
Agility: 5 [102]
Speed: 5 [56]
Stamina: 14 [70]
Appearance: 5 [56]
Charisma: 5 [56]
Resistance: 8 [70]
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Stats: 85
W/out App: 79

That all seems fairish... Besides Dark Elves, because they were basically average on all, but higher then humans.

Dark elves, Humans, and Ogres are all unbalanced. Ogres have just as much stat goodness as Dark Elves, and Humans are stuck at 64 w/out appearance, while the other races hover close to 70.

Otherwise, yah, pretty close. Just give the humans some sort of advantage to even out the 6 stat points they're missing. Maybe a few extra exp, or something.

Here are the new Dark Elves and Ogres.

Dark Elves – ½ for strength, ½ for defense, ½ for agility, 1.5x for resistance, 2x for magic, 2x for appearance, 5x for charisma. +2 to intimidation, 30 in Dark resistance, -50 in Light resistance.

Ogre – 1/5 strength, 1/4 defense, ½ life, 1/3 stamina, 2x magic, 5x agility, 2x speed, 4x appearance, 2x charisma. +3 to intimidation

I haven't decided how to boost humans though.

Just one small nitpick... why do dark elves take a hit to appearance? In most fantasy universes they're considered to be just as attractive as their light skinned brethern, but they're not liked (which would be a charisma thing, I would think)/feared.

I'd drop appearance to base, and then just drop defense or strength to 3/4.

Edit: Also, dwarves are better than dark elves or ogres. Almost missed that.

I always though Dark Elves were uglier then the other elves, because they live in the dark. Dark Elves remind me of the dark side jedis, who are twisted and wierd looking.

Nah, they look like normal elves, 'cept black with white hair and red eyes... at least in every fantasy thing I've read.

Also, see the above edits, and it's time to make a new thread.

Repost: Fine, so it took me an hour.


Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Fighter

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (38)
Mana: 5 [4] (4)
Strength: 8 [70] (10)
Defense: 8 [70] (10)
Magic: 8 [70] (6)
Agility: 8 [70] (10)
Speed: 8 [70] (10)
Stamina: 8 [70] (10)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (6)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Unarmed: 1 (2)

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 74


Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Sorcerer

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (22)
Mana: 5 [4] (7)
Strength: 8 [70] (5)
Defense: 8 [70] (5)
Magic: 8 [70] (12)
Agility: 8 [70] (8)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (5)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 20
Water: 20
Cold: 20
Lightning: 20
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
1/3 for elemental spells.

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 71


Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Warlock

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (20)
Mana: 5 [4] (7)
Strength: 8 [70] (6)
Defense: 8 [70] (6)
Magic: 8 [70] (11)
Agility: 8 [70] (8)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (5)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 30
Curses: 30
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
1/3 status spell

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 72


Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Wizard

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (22)
Mana: 5 [4] (6)
Strength: 8 [70] (5)
Defense: 8 [70] (6)
Magic: 8 [70] (12)
Agility: 8 [70] (8)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (5)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 30
Seduction: 0

Skills
1/3 random

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 70



Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Druid

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (25)
Mana: 5 [4] (6)
Strength: 8 [70] (8)
Defense: 8 [70] (8)
Magic: 8 [70] (10)
Agility: 8 [70] (8)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (8)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 30
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
1/3 Nature and Druid
Animals (5)

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 68

I suggest upping druids a little.


Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Summoner

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (20)
Mana: 5 [4] (8)
Strength: 8 [70] (5)
Defense: 8 [70] (5)
Magic: 8 [70] (11)
Agility: 8 [70] (5)
Speed: 8 [70] (5)
Stamina: 8 [70] (5)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Only Class to get true summon spells

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 62

Suggest increasing power by a lot unless summon spells REALLY kick ass.


Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Cleric

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (20)
Mana: 5 [4] (7)
Strength: 8 [70] (5)
Defense: 8 [70] (5)
Magic: 8 [70] (12)
Agility: 8 [70] (8)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (8)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (10)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 70
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
1/3 holy, no dark

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 74



Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Necro

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (20)
Mana: 5 [4] (7)
Strength: 8 [70] (5)
Defense: 8 [70] (5)
Magic: 8 [70] (12)
Agility: 8 [70] (8)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (8)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (6)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 70
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
1/3 dark no holy

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 70



Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Enchanter

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (15)
Mana: 5 [4] (6)
Strength: 8 [70] (4)
Defense: 8 [70] (4)
Magic: 8 [70] (10)
Agility: 8 [70] (8)
Speed: 8 [70] (6)
Stamina: 8 [70] (10)
Appearance: 10 [55] (15)
Charisma: 8 [70] (12)
Resistance: 8 [70] (5)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Seduction: (4)
Athletetics: (4)
Sex Spells

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 74

I thought the Human advantage was that they could become any of the different classes, while the other races were limited.

But if extra EXP is what they get, fine by me. It gives me a better chance of getting a spell or two.

Fine, I'll drop appearance to base and make defense 3/4s (Will be in attachment)

And I'll make dwarves pay 3x for speed. They can run the longest, but not the fastest.

Edit - If you are going to do that class thing, I would rather wait for you to do that, then make the new thread after I can balance classes. One extra post won't hurt.

Edit 2 - My guess is that classes are very unbalanced.

(Reposting because I don't want to push this past the limit any more then it already is)

I haven't really limited classes on many races. Just the slower and/or bigger races can't be archers and thieves. I probably should though...


Edit - I included some rolls to affect spell dodging, and now every time you cast a spell there is a 1 in 200 chance that it fails, and a 1 in 200 chance that it backfires (Summons have 1 in 100 chance to fail). Updated into the attachment.

Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Barb

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (45)
Mana: 5 [4] (2)
Strength: 8 [70] (13)
Defense: 8 [70] (12)
Magic: 8 [70] (4)
Agility: 8 [70] (5)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (8)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (6)
Resistance: 8 [70] (5)
Fire: -10
Water: -10
Cold: -10
Lightning: -10
Nature: -10
Dark: -10
Holy: -10
Poison: -10
Curses: -10
Random: -10
Seduction: -10

Skills
Unarmed: 1 (5)
Intimidation: (2)
3x for all spells.

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 71

Suggest slight strengthening to one stat to off set resistances.

Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Mage Slayer

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (34)
Mana: 5 [4] (5)
Strength: 8 [70] (9)
Defense: 8 [70] (8)
Magic: 8 [70] (8)
Agility: 8 [70] (9)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (10)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (16)
Fire: +10
Water: +10
Cold: +10
Lightning: +10
Nature: +10
Dark: +10
Holy: +10
Poison: +10
Curses: +10
Random: +10
Seduction: +10

Skills
Mage Slay spells

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 86

Sugget major weakening.



Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Paladin

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (38)
Mana: 5 [4] (6)
Strength: 8 [70] (10)
Defense: 8 [70] (10)
Magic: 8 [70] (8)
Agility: 8 [70] (8)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (8)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (6)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: -70
Holy: 70
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
1/2 holy, no dark

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 76

Suggest weakening.


Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Dark Paladin

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (38)
Mana: 5 [4] (6)
Strength: 8 [70] (10)
Defense: 8 [70] (10)
Magic: 8 [70] (8)
Agility: 8 [70] (8)
Speed: 8 [70] (8)
Stamina: 8 [70] (8)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (6)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 70
Holy: -70
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
1/2 Dark Spell, no holy.

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 76

Suggest weakening.



Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Archer

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (35)
Mana: 5 [4] (5)
Strength: 8 [70] (9)
Defense: 8 [70] (6)
Magic: 8 [70] (8)
Agility: 8 [70] (12)
Speed: 8 [70] (11)
Stamina: 8 [70] (6)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Bows: (5)
Aim: (5)
Dodge: (2)
Thrown: (2)

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 78

Suggest Major Weakening.




Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Gunner

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (30)
Mana: 5 [4] (5)
Strength: 8 [70] (8)
Defense: 8 [70] (6)
Magic: 8 [70] (8)
Agility: 8 [70] (11)
Speed: 8 [70] (10)
Stamina: 8 [70] (6)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Guns: (5)
Aim: (5)
Dodge: (2)
Thrown: (2)

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 75

Suggest weakening




Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Thrower

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (35)
Mana: 5 [4] (5)
Strength: 8 [70] (9)
Defense: 8 [70] (6)
Magic: 8 [70] (8)
Agility: 8 [70] (12)
Speed: 8 [70] (11)
Stamina: 8 [70] (6)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills
Thrown: (5)
Aim: (5)

Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 78

Suggest Weakening.




Name: Test Human
Age: Ageless and Eternal
Appearance: Compeletly average and bland in everyway.
Bio: Created to demonstrate why the calculations for character creation need to be changed slightly.
Class: Blade Singer

Equipment (Equipment does have weight, so if you stack it on, your Speed, Stamina, and Agility might suffer)
Weapon #1: Fists of deadly fury.
Weapon #2/Shield: Fists of not so deadly fury.
Head: Hair.
Body: Body Odor.
Arms: Furry arms.
Legs: Disgust at the fact the human wears no pants.
Other #1:
Other #2:
Other #3:


Life: 30 [30] (22)
Mana: 5 [4] (5)
Strength: 8 [70] (10)
Defense: 8 [70] (8)
Magic: 8 [70] (8)
Agility: 8 [70] (16)
Speed: 8 [70] (12)
Stamina: 8 [70] (8)
Appearance: 10 [55] (10)
Charisma: 8 [70] (8)
Resistance: 8 [70] (8)
Fire: 0
Water: 0
Cold: 0
Lightning: 0
Nature: 0
Dark: 0
Holy: 0
Poison: 0
Curses: 0
Random: 0
Seduction: 0

Skills


Net Stats, excluding HP and Mana: 88

Suggest Major Weakening.


You don't HAVE to listen to me with these. I'd suggest looking at them yourself before deciding to weaken/strengthen or not... except the ones with major on them. Those should be weakened at least a little.


Also, check above for part one of this list. I didn't actually repost because it's too big for one post anyway.

Edit: Other than a few they seem mostly balanced. Those with extra stat points don't get skills/magic stuff cheap/for free, while those with fewer get lots of that. The exceptions are the ones that I have the major on.

I took out the +3 intimidation, brought down appearance to +9, and added the extra to my savings to bring my Dodge skill from +3 to +4, and got a spell.

there, now I only have 6 points left.