Star Wars Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
 

Just saw this on MSN and wondered if there was any comformation of any kind, you know, since in the article they refer to Darth Vader as a Jedi.

http://newsbox.msn.co.uk/article.asp...e=windows-1252

I have one thing to say: GEORGE LUCAS IS A COMPLETE [insert various colorful expressions]

To quote BobbyMiller from the Doug TenNapel forum

Oh my God, he officially has lost it folks:
http://forums.dvdfile.com/interactiv....php?t=45507&h ighlight=star+wars

And yes, it has been confirmed (dvdfile.com):

But even more exciting (or depressing) information that came out of the convention were the copies of the Star Wars Trilogy DVD Collection (due September 21st, as if you weren't aware) that were making their way around the convention to those in the know, with connections, or sticky fingers. So for those fearing (or hoping) that Lucas would again make extensive changes to the classic first three movies in the saga, you will get your wish. Everything from less readily apparent changes - sound effects to the color of a lightsaber - to more substantive additions, including Ian McDiarmid (the evil Emperor) replacing Clive Revill in The Empire Strikes Back, to Anakin Hayden Christensen's face (badly) added to the body of Sebastian Shaw at the end of Return of the Jedi, or a chorus of cheering Gungians (or whatever those Jar Jar things are called) also tacked on to the finale of Jedi, will be found in the new DVDs. Sigh...but find out for yourself when the set reaches a galaxy near you this fall.


Someone really needs to shoot George Lucas in the face before he f*cks up Star Wars again. DEAR GOD, why couldn't he just release the originals on DVD or at least give us the option.

Let the Lucas hating commence :mad:

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I think Star Wars went down the drain when he released Episode I. Yeah it was cool at first, but after you watched it fifty million times it gets boring (believe me, my brother watches movies over and over and over again and it gets me pissed off).

And Episode II just made it worse. What is up with that fricken futuristic diner? I DON'T GET IT! And they scenes with Anakin and Padme made me want to break the t.v.

I'm afraid Lucus thinks he can replace acting with computer animation. He just just go back to great acting and crappy animation.

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George Lucas is the Dahmer of movie directors...

What?! Is this serious? I can't believe he's going to change the originals like that. Leave them alone.

I haven't been like the new ones as good as the originals. This will hopefully be the best one. Gotta go out with a bang. They have to have Han Solo in it though. I don't care how old Harrison Ford is he's just gotta be in it.

I'm content with my unaltered Star Wars Trilogy on VHS, thank you very much.

I'd like to have a DVD version, but not if it's changed in anyway save mimimal touching up of the sound and footage.

[rant]GODAMMIT NO! NO MORE DAMN GUNGANS! I'm sorry, but Gungans just need to die. Every last one. Jar Jar died last, watching each individual member of his people die, then dies by getting manraped by one of those giant lizards from Tatooine. Lucas, WHY?[/rant]

im hoping that this third one is really good. But now that i think that my expectations are too high and it probably wont live up to them, but that is what happens with sequals/prequals. As for the msn thing, when they say darth vader they probably mean aniken, but is probably too un-educated to realise that he is not darth vader yet. The name of the movie has a nice sound to it, but that doesn't say much about if the movie is going to be good or not.

George Lucas shattered my dreams with Episode I. The man is a traitor to his fans and the genre he revolutionized.

Okay, there's a slight problem there. See, Harrison Ford is older than he was in the original trilogy. Yet, Han Solo is younger than he was in the original trilogy. You see how that's not going to work?

Anyway, I agree George Lucas messed this all up. It was cool to see Maul with his double-ended lightsaber, but then every newbie in every Star Wars RP chatroom started doing it, and it got irritating. If you could axe the newbies and axe the rest of the prequels, then my day would be made.

Personally, I want to see some sequels. Thrawn Trilogy. Hell, maybe do the Dark Forces trilogy. Make a movie from Shadows of the Empire...

Oh, and we all know what Lucas is going to do next. He's going to make an ultra-collection, a box set of all six movies that comes with all sorts of useless junk like figurines and shot glasses and comes in a titanium case that costs $300. So why bother buying this set?

[Edit] Dude, no. Just, no.

This is Darth Vader. Anakin(c'mon, chap, you even spelt his name wrong) has gone to the Dark Side now. If you'd been watching Cartoon Network's miniseries "The Clone Wars" you would know this. Besides, the title alone should indicate this is Darth Vader. Or maybe the movie will open up all dramatic like with Anakin and Obi-Wan fighting their last fight before ANH, and(according to AU) Anakin will plunge into the volcano below, his body be destroyed, andshortly after, the Emperor will take him in. But, over all, this is a movie about Darth Vader, not some little slave kid, or some stupid actor who doesn't know how to act.

And if you have a better explanation for why James Earl Jones is on the casting list, then tell us now.[/Edit]

He said that b/c Darth Vader was listed as a jedi. Which, when that title applies to him, he most certainly isn't.

And I, for one, would rather Lucas left the books alone. They are fine just as they are. I would like to see some games set in a time period after the movies. They have the Dark Forces(Jedi Knight) series, but I'd like to see some in the New Jedi Order time period. That would make my year.

More on topic: I don't see how the prequels ruin the series, as some people claim. they're okay. not as good as the originals, but nothing ever is.

As for changing the originals in the box set, THAT'S JUST F#!@ING WRONG!!! It was fine just the way it was.

Well for one there are games in the New Jedi Order time period. Their called Jedi Knight, Jedi Knight 2, and Jedi Academy. That being said I don't see what so wrong with the prequels. I mean all of you that have complained seem to have sat through the whole thing. That means you were entertained enough not to turn it off or walk away. Thus they achieved their purpose. They might not have been great but at least they kept you in your seat. As for messing with the orignals, I agree thats just wrong.

No no no. I'm talking Vong invasion. That book series. I mentioned the Jedi Knight series. And aren't Jedi Knight 2 and Jedi Academy the same game, or did I miss one? I will hurt myself for missing one.

I agree w/ you on these two points. Two much whining, and too much screwing with the originals.

Yes, I believe most people complain that the prequal star wars movies were crap......because they compare them to the originals. Its my belief that if the first trilogy never came out, people would think that these movies were great, my opinion at least.

But, as the rest of you, yes, changing the originals that much is just messed up. Reminds me of that episode of south park,heh

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On the plus side, the monkey Emperor is gone. And Jabba looks a lot better in A New Hope.

Not sure why they would put Hayden into Return Of The Jedi though.

I've seen a lot of prequel bashers here, so suffice it to say I'm not one of them. If it's got lightsabres and a John Williams score, it's Star Wars enough for me.

Ive seen prequel bashers everywhere, not just here, its like they are a new cult or something, they pray to a golden statue of Mark Hamill.

No, they are not. First, when I type "Dark Forces trilogy," I'm including Dark Forces, Jedi Knight(/Mysteries of the Sith, as it's an expansion pack to JK), and Jedi Outcast(notice the subtitle to Jedi Knight is "Dark Forces 2," and the subtitle to Jedi Outcast is "Jedi Knight 2," thus sub-subtitled as "Dark Forces 3."), aka the "Kyle Katarn trilogy."

Jedi Academy, on the other hand, has Kyle Katarn in it, but as a NPC. And while it is the sequel to Jedi Outcast, it has no subtitle like "Jedi Outcast 2" or "Jedi Knight 3" or "Dark Forces 4." It's really like a single-player one-man-party MMORPG; you customize the features of your character, give them equipment, go on missions in a non-linear form, etc., just single-handidly instead of as a group.

I think they could pull the Dark Forces trilogy off because for Jedi Knight, they had live-action footage between stages, so they already have an actor and actress for Kyle and Jan(whom they based the models for both JK and JO off of), along with the whole cast of Jedi Knight for that matter. Unless some people like, died, or something.

How that all ties in to this new-age dang-nab confounded "original trilogy SE remade on DVD" discussion is your call. But am I the only one annoyed by the three different parts of that title? "Original trilogy"..."SE"..."remade"?

You miss the point Bezo. Sure it might look better (not including the Hayden thing), but we don't care about that. They changed what many of us have come to love, it doesn't hold the same value anymore now that it has changed. Its really hard to put into words, I guess the best I can do is to say that its like the orginals have been violated.

Edit: Otaku, I know Dark Forces was where the Jedi Knight series came from. The Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy implies that it is JK2, they just replaced the 2 with Jedi Academy b/c it is more original that way.

I just thought of something else. Did Lucas do anything different to the Indiana Jones trilogy when it was released to DVD? Hell no! So why mess up the Star Wars trilogy? Because that trilogy started in the middle of a saga and Indiana Jones started at the beginning? Psh! Look at all the "Young Indiana Jones" movies! In fact, they were even releasing "Eye of the Peacock" with the VHS trilogy for a while. Why didn't they take Harrison Ford's baby pictures and plaster them to the face of the actor who played young Indy at he start of Last Crusade?

Then again, who knows. Maybe Steven Speilberg is wearing the pants of that production, and George is just his bitch.

And Master, it may have been(which one, though?), but you asked the question in this thread, so I answered in this thread.

I haven't watched the clone wars miniseries on cartoon newtork. But from the end of the second movie i thought it was pretty clear Anakin(happy, I spelt it right) hadn't joined the sith yet(correct me if im wrong but i thought only the sith had darth in there names) so he can't be darth vader yet, and i dont think the third movie will start of directly with them fighting, Lucus will have to build up to them fighting.

Edit: The only reason i can think of for James Earl Jones being on the cast list is they are planing on having him later in the film, and not right at the beginning, also explain to me this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/fullcredits why are they still listing Anakin on the cast list if he is already darth vader.

No, no, Anakin hasn't gone to the dark side YET. He has just really gotten the taint of the dark side in him. This is really apparent in the Clone Wars mini-series, his arrogance when he was going after the sith girl. And he killed her pretty good at the end (with her red lightsabres no less), letting his anger and rage take over his better judgement.

Anakin becomes Darth Vader in Episode 3, at the beginning he'll still seemingly be on the side of the Jedi, but in the movie he will be totally swayed over. I'm guessing that Anakin will 'die' in the movie, fall off a cliff or something. He won't actually die, but for literary purposes, that will be when he becomes Darth Vader, when his former life is dead.

Having played Jedi Academy (and having a friend who is obsessed with the JK series), I can prouldy say that JA is in no way at all like a one-player MMORPG. There are very light RPG elements, but there's nothing massive about the game and it isn't THAT non-linear. Also: the goal is much more well-defined than in any MMORPG. There's just really not much in common with an action-RPG-lite title like Jedi Academy and any MMORPG.

Thank you Hamelin, i knew he couldn't have gone to the dark side yet, even in the cartoon.

Yeah, he's just getting really pissy and mean.

That and he is begining to chanlenge Obi Won's authority. He listens less and less. That and he thinks he is god's gift to the Jedi and Obi Won is holding him back.

Sidenote: I'm not the starwars fanboy my name would suggest. There is a story behind this name but it's a little long and of topic for here.

KotOR would make an awesome movie. God DAMN that game is brilliant.

As soemone said in another thread, games like that have too many variables to translate into a movie very well. They'd have to pick some, and that would piss some people off b/c they liked it another way.

Oh I'm tired of hearing that. It's an excuse to not do work. It is SO easy to do something like that. Of course they'd have to choose one set of paths, but you have to do that in the game too! In the game you can't see 'all the paths' so you wouldn't in the movie either!

They would probably choose from the moderately-good-to-holy path for the movie, but if they're really shooting for variety and are willing to create a new genre of movies, they could always make the 'good' path movie and the 'evil' path movie.

Still, even if there were only one, it would translate fine, I tell you.

If you think so. But I think they'd go for starting out good, ending up evil. Leaves room for a sequel. That or do the two movie idea.

I'm currently playing through KOTOR for the FIRST TIME EVER and I must agree... the game is brilliant. And I could see a movie from it, though perhaps not with the game's exact storyline. Perhaps something in the same time period and with overlapping characters though, certainly.

Movie nothing. I see a miniseries where are certain points there are webpolls. Let the audience decide!

Now, out of Lucasville, I'm feel that, with the exception of KOTOR and the post-movie Star Wars, the franchise has collapsed. I pray Lucas stops at RotS, or else it all goes to waste.

but what will life be like without new star wars movies?

Peo: Erm, actually unless Lucas is lying there WILL be no more new Star Wars movies after Episode 3. Most of you probably know the drill: Star Wars was originally planned as a trilogy of trilogies (Episodes 1-9). For some reason, Mr. Lucas decided to start with Episode 4 (perhaps because it rocked hard). But according to all recent news I've heard, he never plans to let Episodes 7-9 see the light of day.

Muktar: A couple of the new Star Wars games from Lucas Arts look good (specifically Republic Commando, Battlefront, and of course KOTOR 2). Besides that, though, I suppose they haven't really been offering much lately... especially since the cancellation of the Sam and Max sequel. Le sigh.

Yea, and for those of you who have read dragonlance, they were not going to write any more trilogies about three times, and for those of you who follow basketball, how many times has Michael Jordan retired? People just say those things so that you wont expect anything new.

Lucas started with 4-6 because they were the least visually intensive. If he had attempted 1-3 back then he would have had to cut like the entire movie, or invent a lot a CG techniques and some better computers. He has actually said this somewhere but I can't remember where I heard it. He changed the orignals the first time because he had new CG techniques that allowed him to add scenes that he had to cut before. I asssume that's why he edited the second time as well. Also, seeing how long it took him to get of his ass and make 1-3 I think he will be dead before he finishes getting ready to do 7-9.

I thought he wasn't doing 7-9 because of all the books out there that 'detail' the events of post Empire Strikes Back?

You can't really craft a story when there are 20 differing plot and timelines floating around.

This logic is flawed. You're thinking in the now. He could easily have made the first 3, and 4-6 would be the special effects ones. You only think that it wouldve been impossible because of the star wars we know now. Do you see what I mean? The order thing was to make something new--there was more to the star wars universe that you didn't even know, and that hooked people.

Imagine the geonosian arena without modern SFX, or the Trade Federation's robot legions. I wonder how Jar Jar would look without SFX. Probably wouldn't have that dipshit accent.

Thats assuming he had every storyline plotted out ahead of time.

He most likely had the storyline for three good movies, decided to be hip and cool and made those the MIDDLE, then released them to a hungry hungry audience. 15 years, and a couple million dollars, later he cooks up Episodes 1-3 with all the sci-fi geewhiz effects.

If you think he DID have all the episodes planned out, explain the mediclorians and numerous other things mentioned in Episode 1+2 that failed to make it into 4-6. And why he let people write stories after Episode 6 if he wanted to make movies.

Also, theres no way he could have known how far technology would go.

BM: Agreed. On all of it. Just. Agreed.

Anyways, I don't think that's his reason for not doing 7-9. Most of the books don't present any real tough flaws in the story and he could easily build from them. Especially since he's okayed them.

You guys may or may not already know this, but before I got into anime, I was a Star Wars geek. Now, let me go right down the pike an point out what's wrong with all of you.

George Lucas intended to make A New Hope and just let it finish itself there. He had no inteton for Chapter 5, 6, 1, 2, or 3. And I really doubt he had the foresight to see that computers would be capable of doing all the stuff they can do in thrity years(ANH: 1976). If you look at the Star Wars book trilogy(which I just so happen to have placed convieniently in my closet with all my other old Star Wars stuff), George Lucas wrote Star Wars with no subtitle. The Empire Strikes Back was written by Donald F. Glut. And Return of the Jedi was written by James Kahn. This was the start of what would later be called the "EU." Lucas took those books and made them into screenplays. Proof? In ROTJ, the author doesn't discribe the Gammoreans; just "the Gammoreans" this and that. It wasn't described that they were pig-faced monsters that Duke Nukem would later be blasting. And how would anyone whose knowledge comes just from the movies know their names, or any of the bounty hunters save Boba Fett? Those names were never mentioned in the movies. When ANH first came out, it was always called "Star Wars." ANH wouldn't become its official name until after long after even the VHS was released(the people who conceived me have the original VHS tapes), when the SE was released, in fact.

About what Episodes 1-3 would have looked like without the new effects. For those of you who have the VHS of the SE already, watch the opening interview with Lucas on ANH. He explains that Jabba the Hutt was originally going to be a fur-covered monster, but then they decided not to have Jabba in ANH. Hence how they made of a young Harrison Ford interacting with a CGI Jabba the Hutt: that footage was shot earlier and then discarded from the final product, then brought back and edited with new technology. What would Jar Jar Binks look like? Like Jabba the Hutt does in ROTJ. Or like Yoda does. He would be a puppet. If I'm bursting anyone's bubble here, too bad: George Lucas is not some kind of mastermind that you would think him to be and really doesn't have the foresight to see beyond the dark depths of his ass(mind you these words are coming from a former Star Wars obsessionite).

For movies 7-9, George Lucas never really had plans for those(then again, he never had plans for anything beyond ANH). But what's to keep other people from making the movies? Other people have written books, afterall. And games. And all sorts of things. And if George Lucas would read the books written about the Star Wars universe, he would realise he screwed up a large portion of the EU aready with just his two movies, but no, he just gets a cut of profits just because it reads "Star Wars" in the title. C-3PO was activated 4k years before R2-D2 was activated, according to the original EU timeline. But, thanks to Lucas, C-3PO was built by some little kid with mental problems(sees ghosts) that would grow to be some dickhead teenager that can't do anything right(can't act). Boba Fett started his life under a different name, on an actual world, until he scarred himself to the point of being unrecognizable, feared as a monster, and donned the armor so no one would see his wounds. Thanks to Lucas, Boba Fett is actually the clone-son of some pansy that was killed by a Jedi shortly after making his appearance. So, it's not like Lucas personally authorizes all the EU books, so what does it matter if people make other movies, too?

[Edit]Yeah, I got real into what I was doing, so some other people wrote kinda the same stuff I already wrote while I wasn't looking. Also, since I didn't get a chance to see the posts from earlier, I'll make some remarks on those ones now.
According to the original EU, he and Obi-Wan dueled over a volcano, like Gandalf and that dragon dueled over the chasm. I don't remember why they were dueling there(they were on a mission and Anakin got irritated, or Anakin was at the volcano waiting for Obi-Wan, or whatever but I don't remember), and then Anakin took a spill in to the lava. His body was of course badly burned, but he managed to keep himself alive with the Force. Palpantine found him(don't know how, or even how he got Anakin out of the lava) with his body greatly damaged. That's why Darth Vader wears the suit, because his body is damaged, and exposure to the elements are harmful to him. This is why the only time he's seen without his helmet on is when he's in his meditation chamber, because it's sealed off from all the outside elements. But, again, that's all original EU; I'm sure Lucas will screw that up, too.

You quoted me and you didn't even read it!? What the hell!? I already told you why Anakin is on the casting list! Don't quote people and then ask them a question they already answered in what you quoted!

But, I'm going to go a step further. Look at those credits.

Hayden Christensen .... Anakin Skywalker/Lord Darth Vader
Natalie Portman .... Senator Amidala/Padmé Naberrie-Skywalker
Ian McDiarmid .... Supreme Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious
Samuel L. Jackson .... Mace Windu
Christopher Lee .... Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus

-Gasp-Save for Samuel L. Jackson, everyone I just listed has more than one character name! Are you telling me that Count Dooku is pre-Dark Side Darth Tyranus!? Or that Supreme Chancellor Palpatine is pre-Dark Side Darth Sidious!? Or that Padmé Naberrie-Skywalker is Senator Amidala after she turns to the Dark Side!? Another word of advice: Read everything you link before posting to it. Because if you don't, someone else will, and the results won't be pretty. It happens a lot on the Discussion board.[/Edit]

Otaku, you think you could direct me to some of the books I could read? What are the titles of some of these?

For most of my Original EU knowledge, I got it from a book called Star Wars: The Complete Universe Index: Second Edition published in 1994/5 by Bantam Books. Tales of the Bounty Hunters has some information(like, a chapter or two) on the early life of Boba Fett. Then everything else is just fill-in-the-blanks and information that cliques learn.

Or if you mean just EU books as a complete whole, rather than just where I got my reference material, then I strongly suggest the Thrawn Trilogy and the other two books Timothy Zahn wrote. I also enjoyed Shadows of the Empire, which is unlike the game in a lot of aspects. The Bounty Hunter Wars Trilogy is one I suggest, and all the other stories inside Tales of the Bounty Hunters(IG-88, Zuckuss&4-LOM, Dengar, and Bossk, along with already-mentioned Boba Fett). Beyond those books, and the original trilogy books, my knowledge is minimal. I started reading I, Jedi but at that point anime was starting to work its way in to my life, so I never got very far.

Heh, once again, Otaku gets the award for most informational.

Ok, well it seems like my edit completely ignored your post, which i didn't do, but it seems you ignored the first part of my post, where i said that he had gone completely to the dark side and hadn't become Darth Vader yet, and you seemed to have ignored Hamelin's post backing me up. So i will say this again, i think that the movie will start with Anakin still a Jedi, not having changed completely to the dark side, and there will be a build up to the fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Also from what you and others say about Lucas not following other things that have been writen about the Star Wars universe, i wouldn't expect him to follow anything from the clone wars mini-series.

What could he follow from Clone Wars? Nobody fundamentally changed, it was just a bunch of pretty cool battles/fights. And Anakin has always been pissy in the movies.

I dont know. From what i got from one of Otaku's posts was that Anakin had joined the dark side and had become Darth Vader.

Ow ow ow ow ow.

You really need to round out your geek knowledge man. It's called a Balrog. I prescribe less anime and more Lord of the Rings.

BTW, I was a Star Wars geek too and I add my credibility to everything otaku said.

No, I read your whole post(and Hamelin's). I just picked apart the points that made no sense and wanted to point out that I already stated my hypothesis and what it was. Just Jon will tell you I'm a grouch like that. You and Hamelin may be correct, or I may be. Only Lucas, his crew, and anyone who might happen to have a finished bootleg copy this early in the game know for certain what will happen.

Otaku: Since the whole I.P. really was created by Lucas in the first place, shouldn't the official storyline be HIS call over anyone else's? This isn't to say I like Lucas that much or think he's a genius, but really his story SHOULD be the official one if he created the whole universe in the first place.

I was actually arguing with the person who said, "Lucas gave the okay to all the EU books," telling him that if Lucas had actually done so, he probably would have read those books, and in which case he should have already know what was already on the shelves about his characters. Or he would have told the writers, "No, I have something else in store for this character, so change that part." Point is, I was just trying to point out that Lucas didn't really confirm the books, and that he just gets a cut of profits.

Ahhhh, well that person was me. :P Giving the 'okay' to the books doesn't mean reading them or confirming they're accurate, of course. While this is what the man would do in a perfect world (and if he were a better man), I think most of us knew this was not what he actually does.

Lucas that fool! *pulls out a nuclear powered rocket launcher and fire it at his house blowing it up* *George Lucas pulls up to his house in his car* what the hell?
me: DAMNIT ALL ><

Actually, over on the Star Wars Forums, I saw a bunch of people disputing whether IG-88 should be in the movies or not, and then they got into a dispute about IG-88, then IG-88 in the EU, then the EU...yeah, they went really off-topic. Then some Lucas Inc. official stated, "George Lucas does not read the novels before publication. He is a busy man. He has agents such as myself to read these books, supervise the games, etc. The guidelines for writing a Star Wars novel are simple: You can write about anyone and anything you want except for history of Yoda or Obi-Wan Kenobi." or something like that. Shut a lot of people up in doing so, but the thread never got back on-topic.

This thread is still on-topic, right?