Trigun!
 

I look through the Animation forum, and there is only one post from today! *gasp* So I make a new thread, on a really great anime, Trigun!

I just borrowed the DVD set from a friend, and watched it all the way through for the first time. Took me about three days, would've been two, but I have crappy chores to do :mad:

My favourite part was when Vash fought the gunhoe gun that had the demon eye. "I could have killed you at least 3 times by now." "I could have groped you at least 5 times by now! Eh, lets just call it 4"

My favorite part is when the priest (been so long I've forgotten his name.....) reveals the gun rack in his cross.

Odd, I would have sworn that there was already a trigun thread..*shrugs*..meh!

Oh yea, Eheheheh.

"So what's in there?"
"Forgiveness."

Its an ok show and really funny the first time through. And one of my favorite Seiyuu is the voice for Vash. And Wolfwood was very funny (in my opinion, the best episodes are when he is around).

But unlike what most people feel, I don't believe its the end all of Anime. There are better shows. Many of them. I do like the show and so don't think I'm saying its bad, or even mediocre, cuz I like it. But I do feel there are many other shows that are better, for many reasons depending on the show.

And there are going to be many who disagree but hey.....oh well. Just please don't flame me...

And it isn't your imagination, but we have had multiple Trigun threads on this board, which is why I always precieve people to be so obsessed with it....a little too much in my opinion. But that's because, like I said, I think there are better shows...

More threads? Oops. Oh well, I was just trying to breath some life into the forum. I hate it when it moves slow.

I agree that there are better shows out there, but you have to admit that it is up there as one of the best.

"Love and PEACE! Love and PEACE!"

One of the greatest scenes in the show is
*SPOILER*




When Wolfwood goes to the church in Paradise(Episode 23). His death scene.




*End Spoiler*
Wolfwood is one of the best anti-heroes ever.

Trigun is great. One of my favorite parts is then one MasterofMagic mentioned, another great part is when Vash and Wolfwood go after the mansion full of badguys.
Vash:"Don't kill anyone."
Wolfwood:"Don't ask the impossible."
Vash:"What the Hell kind of churchman are you!?"

Yes, Outbounder. That was a pretty good one. As was

When Wolfwood's mentor died at the hands of Knives. You know, the whole black ball covers him, then he disapears thing.

His first fight with a Gung-Ho Gun, the dude with the purple body armor, was great. Vash gave him every chance to stop until he murdered those innocent people. Then he kicked his ass.

Nicholas D. Wolfwood was indeed a confusing character. Towards the end you weren't sure whose side he was really on. Now does anyone know exactly what that ball thing was

Sooo, if Knives could do that, couldn't Vash? And why wouldn't he use it in the final battle?

Oh, I know he wouldn't use it if it would kill someone, but still, couldn't he use those powers to just take out their gun, or the platform/whatever they are standing on? Or are those powers just so... uh, powerful that they couldn't be used on such specific things?

And I worded it wrong, but I meant why wouldn't Knives use his powers in the final battle. He didn't seem to have any qualms over killing Vash.

What I didn't get is that if Knieves could pull a mind control on somebody, why couldn't Vash?

I was still kind of questioning who Legato was throughout that anime. From what I gathered, spoiler spoiler Legato was created from Vash's severed arm (Hence Legato referring to his own left arm belonging to Vash, rubbing it whenever Vash used his angel arm) by Knives, end spoiler spoiler or something. Or maybe he was just a guy, and the whole reference was symbolical.

What I don't get is Vash says in Lost July that he has no memory before the events at July. So is the whole sequence of flashbacks him rediscovering a repressed past which his encounter with Legato brings back?

I believe Legato is just a mindslave, given abilities by Knives. His left arm is the arm that knives took from vash in I believe July, hence the mech arm and possibly the lack of powers. I think the arm is where Legato derives his abilities. I also believe that vash repressed the memories of the July incident until Legato(him having the stolen arm) forced vash to see them yet again.

Well, I always thought that Vash hadn't actually tried to learn to use any of the powers that Knives has. I think Vash could do all the things Knives can if he actually tried to learn and master them, he just hasn't. Then again perhaps he can't. All i remember right now, that happened either in the manga or anime can't remember, is Knives talking scornfully to Vash about how he hadn't even learned to harnessed his power to heal himself. (Or perhaps i'm remembering completely wrong too.) My guess is that he wouldn't heal the scars, even if he did learn how to, as they serve as a reminder to him that he's hurt many, caused much destruction, and such. But again, I could be completely wrong.
And also, about Vash's lost memory...I always took him as meaning he had no memories of what happened right before and during the Lost July incident. His other memories were intact, but he couldn't remember anything about what happened at July...anyways, I could be completely wrong, wouldn't surprise me. :)

No, Knives scoffs at him for being soft hearted, and thus getting all of those scars. Vash heals much quicker than a normal human.

As for the memories thing, *shrug* I thought everything during and before was gone, except for some childhood memories.

I remember Knives mentioning that Vash can't even heal himself yet. While Vash has above average healing, he is unable to cause a greater, mass healing (Like Knives being able to regenerate his legs, but Vash can't even get rid of scars).

I was talking about how Knieves tricked those crew memebers before he set all the ships to crash.

Well I dont think Knives can heal his body normally. I remember Knives having his lower body inside a machine that I believe was healing him. That is just specualtion though. When he commented about regenerating scars I think he was pointing out his stupidity and that the regeration he was reffering to was the regeration that kept them from aging.

Legato agreed with Knives about humans being a drain on all other forms of life. Knives shot off Vash's arm at July. That arm was then surgerically attached to Legato. Some say it is what gave him his powers but I see no evidence of this. Especially since your arms and legs are simpley there to interact with your surroundings and possess no organs or sensory material (besides skin and nerves). I think Legato was simpley gifted and the arm was symbolic. It was to always remind him of his mission, "I will show the owner of this arm that living is true suffering". Also Vash was immune because he was a plant, or maybe Legato never had a reason two. I imagine both

The reason Vash kept Knives two guns is simple. If he had them that ment Knives didn't. They were too deadly to risk falling back into his hands.

In the anime Wolfwood was the new Chapel. So in that sence you could still call him that. But his mission was to keep Vash alive. Knives never wanted to kill his brother. In a sence they were the same. Vash wanted to show Knives that humans deserve to live while Knives wanted to show Vash that they should be exterminated.

I just think too much. I need to stop all together. I'd enjoy things alot more. :D

Wait a minute.
He didn't have both guns did he? I'm pretty sure they each dived for one(Vash got the silver, Knives the black), and kept them after that little fight was over. And at the end, he didn't pick either up. He left them lying(sp?) there.

Vash got both guns when Knives brought them back. Vash shot Knives, and ran away after he scooped up the black gun.

Hmm. Must have missed that little detail. *shrug*

I'm not really sure about the whole arm thing, it was just a hunch. I do know that after vash shoots knives and carries him off, vash left both guns lying on the ground at the oasis. I don't believe in the anime either of them had powers other than simple plant-like abilities. Wolfwood is also symbolic too. everything about him is ironic or symbolic in some way, weather it be the cross used as a giant gun, or him being unclean at times, though he is a priest. I think the fact that he runs into vash and the gang so many times, sometimes of just coincidence, was a little suspicious anyway.

With the possible exception of first and second time Wolfwood ment to run into him.

Timeline of the two guns

Knives constructed the two guns on a SEEDs ship, Vash shoots Knives with his then grabs both. Many years later he faces Knives. Knives shoots his left arm which still held the gun. Knives takes the gun and Vash keeps his. Later they face off and for a short time Knives has both. At the end it is unclear what happened to the guns.

Vash left them laying there on the ground after he defeats Knives.

Its not that hard to figure it all out. The show has very little plot....

Vash doesn't even want to kill anyone.
Knives is like Sephiroth and has a massive breakdown as a kid because he finds out he is different from everyone else, except Vash. He then wants to destroy everyone.

Good vs. Evil. Brother vs. Brother. One who wants to kill everything vs. his brother who doesn't want to kill anything.

The brother who doesn't want to kill anything stops his brother without killing him, thereby saving his idiology of not killing someone (although Knives alrady made him do it earlier).

Don't get messed up in the Anime symbolism. Its quite a simple story...

That's seems to overly simplify the story.

Yess. We weren't (at least I wasn't) argueing about the story. I just missed a few detials, (don't know how, but when I watched it agian I saw them) or just was wondering way a certain character did/n't do certain things. 'Cause I question everything, as long as it dosen't matter.

I always wonder "what if Vash killed?" Would the show be as good, or is it his conflict that makes it good?

It would have lost alot of its meaning. Most of the plot is driven by the fact that he dosen't kill, so unless they found something to replace that it would suck. It would just be him showing up in a city, killing the guy with one shot, and thats an episode.

i realy did not care for vash i thought he was a wuss the only real reason i watched was becuse of wolfwood. he rocked and i think his deathspoiler was both very cool but also making me pissed off at the same time because he dies, he kicksspoiler.
knives was bad asss. there is nothing else to say.
but vash i had found that was to cocky in every episode he makes it seem that nothing could kill him he is in lack of a better word invincible, and that makes the show realy bad but thats my two doller bill give it back!
better words
invulnerable, unbeatable, unconquerable, undefeatable, untouchable. ok maybe not that last one.

You know, there's a reason people mark spoilers.

You people need to quit fucking giving away major plot points without using the black color. There's folks here who haven't seen the show yet and want to read this thread but don't want to know the twists and stuff. If you're going to discuss something or need to bring something up that is a major plot point use the black color.

Alpha, your disregard for that got your post edited. Anyone can clearly see that others did so earlier in this thread. But next time I won't be so kind.

*eep* Sorry. Its just hard to remember to do it sometimes when you get into the discussion.

Alpha, I don't see how you can call Vash a wuss. He refused to kill anyone, at the cost of getting hurt very severly, very often. If he truly were a wuss, he would have ran away rather than helping people, the fact that he did help them shows alot of courage and bravery. I hate it when people think that him showing some emotion loses his "manhood". Must...resist...flaming....ah!!!

this is true, Vash showed alot of emotion and even cried several times. I have never seen a character so emotion (main characher). Its a nice change of pace from the usual emotionless he man types

I agree. I thought it was good that for once a character showed the complexity of human (even though he's not really human) emotions. Vash's range is very realistic from humor to seriousness to remorse and even rage.

I always liked the part in the beginning, when Vash is about to fight all those guys, pulls the trigger six times, and no bullets come out(ehehehehe...waaaAAAAAAAAAH!).

Then the entire point of the show would have been different. Just as Rurouni Kenshin was about a Ronin who swore not to kill anyone, Vash is a being who swore never to use his power to kill anyone. If he DID use it to kill people, then he would have been either an anti-hero or the villian. In other words, he would have been Knives.

Vash was far from a wuss. Although he was very emotional, it was only because of his strong heart. A person that can come out of a gunfight victorious, and without killing the other person is a master.

I found the basis of the show centered around the metaphore presented on the Seeds ship: Knives found it simple, logical and reasonable to kill the spider to save the butterfly, while Vash steadfastly advocated there is a way to save everything.
Now this is the origin of Vash's refusal to kill anything, even the Sandworms they encounter. On the other hand, it brings about Knives and Wolfwood's viewpoint of "the lesser of two evils" SPOILER Although Wolfwood has his revelation during his death scene that "if you really think about it, there are plenty of ways to save everyone.." END SPOILER. I think this is what makes the Vash/Wolfwood interaction so interesting to watch, as in essence, Wolfwood is the same as Knives. However, where Knives plays the villian, Wolfwood plays the anti-hero.

Also, furthur stemming from the initial metaphore, comes another element that made Vash have so much more depth: SPOILER As Vash encounters the Gung-ho Guns, he attempts to save everyone, as is his way of life. However, he is not successful as the Hero is expected to be. Vash fails time and time again in nearly every encounter. Every Gun he defeats is killed by the next, or Wolfwood or commits suicide in the instance of Cain. This ultimatly climaxes in episode 24, with the murder of Legato. Up until this point, while Vash had indeed failed to save everyone, he had still succeeded in never directly taking a life. Thus Vash's ultimate failure comes as he is forced to kill Legato, the act of which was done in his own free-will. This final failure of the show is symbolized in the image of Rem fading away from his mind. However, in the final battle with Knives, Vash is finally successful in a significant situation, saving both Knives and himself, with no loss of life.

Well now, there's all of Trigun in one post. See, its not all that much to take in.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I really enjoyed Trigun, Vash and Wolfwood were the best anime duo ever
I just wish he didnt ahve to die, he was tooo cool to die