Logical reasons for Bush?
 

I'm sure this has been posted at least once before, but I can't find it, and that may be due to the lack of looking... but:
I read the rants and raving that Brian posted on the main site, and all I really have to say, is that he's right. In my perosnal opinion I believe Kerry would have been a better President, but that is (ironically enough) completely besides the point. It doesn't bother me in hte least that Bush was re-elected, in fact I was anticipating it would happen, but what does bother me is how he was elected. From every indicator in the news and other sources, a majority of the people who voted for Kerry, voted for him because they thought he would do a better job, they believed in him, and supported him. What sickens me, however, is the percent of Bush's votes that came from people who only voted for him because he was the Republican candidate. This is not too say that only Republicans do this, becuase that would be ignorant to think it was true; that and the fact that probably around 1/5 of the votes for Kerry were in the 'anyone but Bush' category. I guess it's jsut that no one has ever given me one logical reason for why they voted for Bush. They're argument is always something that, when you look at the facts of his term in office, can be easily/is proven false almost immediately. I also would like a woman who voted for Bush to please tell me why? Bush is against women's sufferage, wants to illegalize abortion (if you think it should be illegal then you had a reason to vote Bush), and most importantly of all (from the perspective of a mother) he took us into Iraq, and after a certain point it just became a personal vendetta...(sorry, but thats too long a subject to go into here, especially seeing as I already spent this much room on my anti-Bush tirade). I guess that the entire point of htis thread, is that I want to hear logical reasons why you voted for Bush, or logical reasons why his stance on issues is 'superior' to the stance taken by Kerry. I say logical, becuase I want to hear a solid reason that essentially cannot be contested(although any argument can be contested but still..), so don't post anything like this issue is better because its the way God would want it, cause my immediate respose will be "What would you say to people who don't believe in God in order to convince them?" Ok... sorry to spend an entire page on this.. I jsut really want to know...

I haven't heard this before -- can you provide some reliable sources for this?

It'd be especially interesting to hear that if it came from a non-religious source, but I don't think you're going to get it -- this forum skews towards male, and I'd guess about half of those are too young to vote.

Finding a solid source to show Bush's position on women's sufferage is relatively hard, since a majority of the controversy arose in '02, but here is a site that provides information regarding actions he did or failed to take in regards to it... http://womensissues.about.com/cs/bus...st/index_2.htm This should do it in regards to your request for sources, but then agian, I would have liked to find the articles from a 'more reliable' site or institution...
On your second statement.. yea, but hey, we can always hope :-p

EDIT: Looks like people posted before I could. This is in reply to Napoleon.

Tsk tsk, quite a few of the traditional Bush assumptions. I'll address them in the order which they show up.
1.) Neither you nor anyone else have any proof (or even a reason to assume) that Bush had more "I like this guy because he's in my party" voters than Kerry.

2.) Neither of the candidates is against woman's sufferage.

3.) Just because Bush is against abortion, doesn't mean he's against women. The way anti-abortion voters (such as myself) see it, abortion is murder, and just because Bush doesn't want women to murder, that doesn't mean he dislikes women. He just dislikes murder. If you support abortion, replace the word "murder" with "abortion" and my point still stands.

4.) As I've posted in the thread about Brian's news comment, bringing us into war wasn't a bad choice. Besides, every soldier being sent to Iraq chose to join the U.S. millitary, and when you do that, you're entirely aware of the possibility of being sent to war.

5.) All political views can be contested, and that completely makes your point about that wrong, but that's not a reason for us not to tell you why we support Bush. You requested for us to tell you something, so we'll tell you something.

The main reason why I voted for Bush is that he's in the middle of a lot of projects. He's running a war, trying to recover the economy, and generally stabilizing the country after the war. If Kerry were president, he wouldn't have any idea what Bush had in plan for what he's trying to do, and all of his incomplete projects would crash in burn because Kerry didn't finish them or finished them wrong (which he can't help). 4 years from now, we're going to change our president, but that can't be avoided. Basically my point is that Bush hadn't really screwed anything up, and more importantly in times like this, we shouldn't be passing the baton every 4 years because the next president won't know how the last intended to work with projects which the new president inherited.

That's probably why the President doesn't immediately move out after election day. He still gets a couple of months to get everything in order, which probably includes briefing the next President and his staff on everything.

To: Original Poster, Paragraphs are your friends.
From: Someone whose eyes hurt too much to read your post.

Anyway, what orafice did you pull that "Bush is against womens' suffrage" line from (and no, I don't really want to know).

That is just something democrats use against pro-lifers.

They claim that if you're against baby killing you're against woman's rights or something like that.

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Kam: I'm not going to touch that one with a ten foot pole, but using loaded terms like 'baby killing' to describe abortion is a pretty good way to start a flame war. Flame wars are bad.

in response to that:
1) I know, I shoudl ahve clerified that, there is no way to say for sure who had more, and it doesn't matter really, the point I was trying to make, was that every person I've talked to personally is unable to give me a logical reason for why they voted for Bush, and the media covers more of the Bush supporters who voted in this manner, so it seems as if a majority of the uninformed are Bush supporters, but yes, that doesn't mean its true.
2)In 2002, President Bush did in fact inact several initiatives that essentially slowed or halted certain parts of the women's movement, or in certain cases he failed to start certain intiatives that during his campaign he said he would(though almost every candidate lies to get votes so...) btw, missuse of the word sufferage on my part... my bad
3)While i udnerstand your view on the subject, i must protest ( isn't this country great :-p ) I believe that women shoudl have the right to choose what goes on in their own body...and depending on how you look at that, then by saying htey can not do somehting he is against them, though i never did say he was anti-women to begin with
4) I do agree there, the war was a good idea, but in my opinion only to a certain extent, and yes, the soldiers knew the risk.
5)Yes, any view on any subject can be contested, ( i even said that in my original post)
I do appreciate the feed back though.. again my abd on the misuse of sufferage.. I have no clue what was oging on in my mind right there... to clarify.. when i said he was ant-womens sufferage, i meant against the women's movement in general... feel free to argue against that though... i just thought id clerify the thoughts induced by my crack-ridden brain...
Edit:
To: Original Poster, Paragraphs are your friends.
From: Someone whose eyes hurt too much to read your post.

yea.. sorry....

Krylo says: Please don't double post. Also, read the rules.

To all those who think that abortions are murder, that is your (and most likely your religion's) view. But other religions and other people do not view an unborn child in the same way as you. And since the constitution allows the freedom of religion and ideas, they are entitled to have the choice to have an abortion.