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Thanatos 11-22-2004 07:51 PM

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Way to post a nearly invisible symbol. :)

Why Thank you very much. I try. Actually when I previewed the post, it wasn't invisible it wasn't till I actually posted it that it became so. ANyway, let me try again:
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adamark 11-22-2004 08:21 PM

Prove to me that clear-colored, omnicient, silent elephants that float in the air and exhale toxic fumes don't exist! ooooooh!

Prove to me that they do exist.

I saw a presentation by the FAMOUS Warrens (google their name). They absolutely failed to scientifically prove anything about the existence of spirits. And a friend of mine knows them personally and they admitted in his confidence that they had faked some things for their cameras. It's these types of charlatans that get in the way of honest study. They've tainted our collective social trust on that subject. Still there are enough incidents to make me raise an eyebrow. Like I said, one day science will prove it.

Archbio 11-22-2004 08:36 PM

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Prove to me that clear-colored, omnicient, silent elephants that float in the air and exhale toxic fumes don't exist! ooooooh!

Prove to me that they do exist.
While leaving the burden of proof to the ones making a positive claim is correct, it's not the same as proving the negative claim... scientifically, at least. Using science as an "all or nothing" reality yardstick isn't something I would do, personally.

As for ghosts (actual on-topicness here), while I'm pretty sure some unexplainable things happen, and that not that rarely (while not being in one's head, as well), it is pinning them on spirits that I find suspect. When you know nothing about something...

Krylo 11-22-2004 09:13 PM

Actually, Arch, what you just said has a name. Argument to ignorance. One of the most common logical fallacies. Simply because there is no proof for something does not mean it doesn't exist, and simply because there is no proof against something doesn't mean it DOES exist. You can not know, so to take a solid stand without having proof is logically unsound.

I would register my experiences as proof. Of course, no one here knows if I'm lying or not, so it's correct for them to doubt (probably strongly), yet it's also correct for them to accept the possibility.

Archbio 11-22-2004 09:19 PM

That's pretty much what I just spelled out, beside the name, right?

I thought I was being overly nitpicky.

Arlia Janet 11-22-2004 09:25 PM

Isn't this the same argument that was going around a few years ago about crop circles?
"There's no way anyone could make a crop circle that big in one night." They said.
"There are no foot prints." They said.
"There's no physical way you can prove that a human did it." They argued.
Then a handful of Australians showed the world how crop circles were made. A few men made a giant one in less than a night.
I don't want to derail the discussion into something about crop circles, but it tells me something. Things that are heralded as unexplainable turn out to be simple secrets. Ghosts just defy too many laws of physics for me to believe them. They violate almost every Newtonian law, the laws of conversation of mass and energy, and, in some cases, the law of entropy.
As a woman of science, I cannot bring myself to believe in them. Which is somewhat ironic considering the webcomic I work on.

Mike McC 11-23-2004 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AJ the Third
Ghosts just defy too many laws of physics for me to believe them. They violate almost every Newtonian law, the laws of conversation of mass and energy, and, in some cases, the law of entropy.
As a woman of science, I cannot bring myself to believe in them. Which is somewhat ironic considering the webcomic I work on.

Of course, there may be scientific laws and stuff going on here that we know nothing about. And sometimes some science laws contradict other ones when put into specific circumstances. Quantum Physics, for example. Many scientists, Einstein included, simply could not believe that that sort of stuff happened down at the quantum level, because it was so contraduictory to the set-up rules. ZTo quote Einstein, "God does not play dice with the universe."

If there's one thing I've learned in my life, it's that science doesn't always have the answers.

Osterbaum 11-23-2004 04:34 AM

I trust science pretty much..But still I always think in a way that nothing is impossible, just unkilkely.

And people, even if you haven't ever seen a ghost or anything like it then that doesen't necesserally mean that ghost don't exist. If you haven't seen a trustworthy document, article or anything supporting that ghosts exist...That doesen't mean that they don't. So don't go around saying "There can't be ghosts cause I have never ever seen or heard of one." Or while I'm add it, remember that even if ghosts are scientifically impossible, then that doesen't mean that they don't exist. There's so much to science that hasn't been discovered yet.

Funka Genocide 11-23-2004 11:21 AM

I said no, but only because I haven't been presented with truth, I'm completely willing to accept the possibility of ghosts, but since there is no proof yet, I must say no.


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