Geek2geek
 

Good day, fellow dice chuckers, gamers, white-hat hackers, card floppers, and/or slackers, good day.
ever wonder what the geek/nerd sub-culture would be like without such amineties as D&D, video games, m:tg, or anime?

really? niether did i until about three o'clock today. after that, i came to these not-so-conclusive conclusions.

if there was no dungeons and dragons, nothing would have really happened. oh sure, nerds, geeks, and the like would have met and conversed at school and other such mandatory social gatherings, but not much else besides that.
for many years, d&d was THE social life for many people not apt in other such fields of "mingling". They would still be isolated at home or school/college trying to survive the grueling interaction with suits and socs (soo-shez) if it had not come along and provided a common unity among the group.

Magic: the Gathering is just something to do when you don't have enough time for some of the longer activities here. a short 15-35 minute game can do wonders for a person under stress and pressure. everything seems to lift and only the fleeting goal of winning is before you. This is a great pastime for many people not yet introduced to d&d.
without it, there would be nothing for budding youngsters to strive for. everyone dreams of being the one to win the $25,000 purse at the worlds or pro tournament. plus all those people who bought alpha boxes in '93 and sold last year wouldn't have the game shops for us to meet in.


Video games provide what d&d and m:tg already do, just in a primarily solitare form. when you're not in a situation where anyone else has time, just pop in a game of Zelda or Final Fantasy and have at it.
Without vg's, not much would be different imho except not as many "sub-classes". you know- gamers, zoners, game gurus and the like.

Anime is an awesome passive activity, whether it be in manga or tv form. anime provides the rich plots and stories that us otakus and geeks love. in tv form, most non-anime series have a blatant plot and almost no imagination when constructing the story. Anime weaves intricate relationships and corresponding events rather than episode-by-episode bad-vs-good. There are many different shades> some doing good for th wrong reasons, a person doing bad to help out another they thought was good but was really apathetic<.
not really sure what the effects would be if this were taken away.......


but those four paragraphs are just my thoughts. would anybody care to share what they think it would be like if a major bastion of "geekdom" never existed. any bastion.... i'm sure there are tons of bastions out there.... somewhere........ all those, um, bastions. yeah.

P.S.> to have some indirect background as to what-the-heck i'm talking about go to threadNerd2nerd.

How can you miss one of the prime bastions of Geekdom, Star Wars and other sci-fi?! I can't even imagine what life would be like without Star Wars *shudder*

Yeah, I'm trying to write something along those lines, the rise of geekdome. Anyone else realize that the next generation will probably see us the same way we see the hippies. We will define the 00's.

where are my geek points? they haven't come in the mail yet and 'Don' wants his rent money.

makes me feel special that i will be remembered as part of the major minority of the social scene. rather than being seen as the workhorse of the technical and computerized world, we will be thought of as the strange outsiders that nobody saw outside school or work.

too true. We lack a political message other than "ban spam" and "no online censorship" though.

hey, if you need some points back, i have some surplus that i got on web100 forums before it started going down.
don't know what the exchange rate is between nuklearpower and web100 is, though.

i'm not sure about that point. during the late sixties, early seventies, "play by mail" games were gaining popularity and may have become "the thing" if DnD hadn't come along.

I dunno, M:tG has done a pretty good job of that...

DM, play by mail prolly didn't really include groups of social misfits coming together and socializing with eachother, right?
Pen and paper RPGs are probably one of the reasons that we have Geeks these days who unlike Nerds, have social skills... This is I think the defining point between the two groups. Also there are LAN parties now-a-days that encourage large (enormous) groups (swarms) of geeks to come together in a social situation... Without LAN parties videogamers would probably all be nerds...
But don't pay attention to me, I'm a complete idiot. =)

Nerd2Nerd has spawned Geek2Geek. How funny. Can the theme of Nerds and Geek ever be contained by mere threads? This could last forever!

I'm tired of the rivalry. I don't see a difference. Socials skills smocial skills. I alternate between the two out of indifference (I have some social skills, but often choose not to use them). I came in too late to take sides, and I see it is just plain silly. We have the same interests. We have the same ideas. The only difference is mode of comunication, and I myself have proved it is possible to exist in two simultaniously.

Yep. My 200 bucks I've spent over 2 years is going to waste on Magic the Gathering Cards. 1K cards and counting. Why must I continue?! WHY!

I can stop whenever I want to.....

i doubt M:tg would even be around if gygax didn't create d&d.

i did some research after would guys got a little heated on this subject at N2N and Garfield stated that most of his influence for magic came from dungeons and dragons.

... or maybe i want d&d to be a bigger pillar in the arch of "geekdom" than it is...

maybe after this one is closed *cough*fortheloveofgodpleaseno*cough* someone will be willing to begin "Nerd2nerd2: the revenge" or "Geek2geek2: this time it's personal".

just NO suit2suit or soc2soc... never, never ever.

yeah, just a wee bit... but not by much. it is a huge bastion (there's that word again) but not the all-in-all. if ol' gary hadn't evovled those wargames into d&d, nerds and geeks would probably play warhammer instead.

I doubt many people would have the attention span...

for what?
warhammer or the other threads?

warhammer. It has more dice rolls than DnD, more charts, more time in between rounds, and less varaiation.

Hey natowarhead! What a great idea! *gets right on planning that with Disney like euphoria*

Dang, this pause went on for too long...

Whatever happened to the late-eighties, early-ninties semi-comedy movies? some examples would be "bill and ted's excellent adventure", "surf ninjas", all three TMNT movies, "UHF" and the like.
Only one movie store near me had one, and that was "bill and ted's....". I still bask in the enjoyment they gave. I guess the thing about them was how you could start watching at any part of the film and still know what's going on.
any comments?

um... why would those be considered geeky? they seem like they were made for surfers or comic-book enthusiates.

Yes, but if you haven't realized, any movie that has fallen out style with everyone else is claimed by the geeks. its the way things go. If its a good movie, we'll watch it.

if you strech it, comic-book enthusiasts can be considered geeks. just not of the computer variety.

lyc.- you're right, it does seem to be like that. hence all the negativity when most people hear/say "geeky".

OMG! when was the last time any of you have gone to think geek? have you seen this watch (the link takes you directly to it)? it is friggin' awesome. a tad expensive, but in a "computer-inside-an-NES" kinda way.

are you by chance talking about the computer that BRIAN talked about in the "news" five or six months ago?

also, just get a watch for ten bucks, a 256mb jump drive for $80... viola! save fifty dollars that you could spend a magic:tg.

sorry for the double post, but it catches poeples attention when they see "new" post in their control panel.

all those who have posted here or are actually interested in what is said, take This Test and tell me what you got. please take it truthfully and be honest (redundant aren't i).

i seriously got this:http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/geek.jpg

Not a pure geek, although I answered all of the roll playing ones like a geek though. What can I help it if I'm the ultimate cynic.


How does one post this. Damn electronics.

Reguardless, I'm an outsider. Can't say I'm suprised. I went all of middleschool as an outsider, and most of highschool. Only recently did I encounter DnD, although I've always been "Geeky" in the sense that I have always been able to quote LotR faultlessly and such things

those quizzes are over-rated. funny though.. i took it and got the geek. my friend took it as he thought i would answer and got the Goth. strange...

Lycanthrope- i love the new avatar. it looks, i don't know, more like a werewolf and less like a wolf's head on a petri dish.

BTW- does anyone know if final fantasy 9 or 10 have been released for the PC yet? i know 7, 8, and 11 have been but cannot find the other two for the life of me. They are the missing link. i have every FF on my computer, 1-6 on ROMs but i do have the original cartridges, except 9 and 10.
any word, anyone?

Thanks. It took about an hour to do, though (working with the daemon-spawn MS Paint) Its a shame no one on this sight actually knows me in person, because the jacket I drew it with is my trademark jacket (complete with red "Its My First Time" button), and the shirt has my unofficial insignia on it.

Interestingly enough, I was the blonde. Which probably explains why it took me an hour to figure out how to post the picture. And how did they know about the lipstick?! It's like they've known me my whole life!

I'm sure I was one answer short of The Slut, though.

http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/blond.jpg

HOW DO YOU POST PICTURES??? I've been trying to figure that out for days! Damn electronics. Damn computers.

... Click the Post Reply button, then at the bottom, click the Manage Attachments thing.

Cool. Sry, all. Since I don't feel like saving the picture, I won't bother posting it.

Well, in this case, since it's an image from a website, you don't have to save it. Just copy the code (the one with a .jpg ending) from the website after you get the result, and type:

[*IMG]http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/blond.jpg[/IMG*]

Except, don't put the asterixes in there. And replace 'blond' with whatever your stereotype was. Unless you were the blond. Then you can just keep it that way. Okay.

i got geek to but thats not supprising

Ah, my EIQ (electronics intelligence quotient) is hella low, because I suck like that.

http://www.mutedfaith.com/images/slut.jpg

That isn't me at all! Honest! ((((((^_^;)

lycanthrope- look at the vb code or img tags section. there should be little links at the bottom of the page. read through and there should be some instructions.

just put [img*] in front of the address of the pic and [/img] at the end (don't put any spaces in between the tags and take out the astirisks... astiricts... asterixs, whatever)

thus [img*]http://natowarhead.com/hadokenp.gif[/img*] without the astir... little fuzzy things would become
http://natowarhead.com/hadokenp.gif
you can usually get the address of a pic by right-clicking and selecting properties and looking at "address".

Thanks. Yeah, I'm really dumb. In my ideal world, copy and paste work everywhere.

nothing wrong with copy-n'-paste... i did it with most of my signature and with all web addresses.
on a side note, do we really need to put pics in the text? i know i started it but it makes the page load so much slower... i have 56k.

Am I the only geek that doesn't watch anime [read: serious cartoons*]?
:rmage:


*Anime isn't a genre, its an animation style. It is often reffered to as a type of serious catoons.

nope, i don't either. the closest to anime i've gotten is dragon ball on cartoon network. other than that, just video games that happen to be anime-like.

why do people associate anime with geeks?




P.S> why do a lot of people have BANNED as their title? are they truely banned or is it just a fad that is going around?

You've obviously never listened to "Anime People" talk about Anime. If you're into Anime, you wouldn't pick up on it- you're far too gone to realize the inherent geekiness. People outside the circle see it immediately.

http://www.mutedfaith.com/quiz/teen.htm

I'm not really suicidal, i'm what you call, a depressed nerd. But what I got is what I got.

Eh... I don't watch anime. I just don't get it. The storylines are cool, if all too often sappy (though this is true of anything dealing with storylines I generally tend to like). But the animation style itself is... well... lets just say I don't get it.

try not to think of anime as cartoons. it makes more sense if you think of it like the film industry. there are many different kinds for all ranges of audiences. some are designed for children, others are strictly for adults, while others yet almost exclusively cater to teens.
anime is cartoons that are not cartoony. most characters are not one dimensional as with western animation. and i quote animenation.com here when i say "other cartoons are almost linear. bugs bunny id thinking of his next one-liner while superman is trying to save the city at any cost. in anime though, the guy could be piloting a giant robot while thinking about his relationship and worrying about getting to his part time job."

look, i wrote a haiku-

anime? okay...
giant robots, fighting kids
dubbing is sucky


and a lymeric-

i once saw a show of anime,
it was just the beginning, so i stayed.
as i kept on watching,
i felt like vomitting,
for the show turned out to be hentai.

just for the record... NEVER MENTION HENTAI AGAIN!!

sorry for shouting but i vehemothly oppose the perversion of the art that is anime by the fetid horror of hentai. some have even discribed me as a Paladin with a +5/+5/+5 dire hammer when used to smite this abomination.

anyone feel like a new topic?

why am i the only one who's posts, join date, and location are still displayed next to my name?

You're not. You're just the only person with a location long enough to force your Join date to be right next to your picture. Look at everyone else's avatar, move your eyes about six inches to the right, and examine closely. If you need CSI Miami to come in and do a forensic analysis, I'll be happy to call them in.

Haha. Sorry ...

I never liked anime. Never got it. The art style is... visually unsettling for me. Maybe I'm just uncultured.

I always found the huge eyes and small mouths rather weird looking. It gives them a juvenile look. Maybe that's why?

"i see", said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw.

i guess my screen resolution is too small to show it unless i scroll. thanks.

lyc.-you're not uncultured. all it means is that you don't has the otaku sub-class.

Aww, c'mon, what's wrong with a little hentai now and then? Naughty tentacles are our friends.....uh, I mean, no, BAD tentacles! Leave that cat-girl alone! Shoo, shoo!

<natowarhead pulls out his hammer and makes a full-round attack against said monster and cat-girl. doen't stop until they are bloddy, pulpy stains on the carpet.>

Okay, new topic.

i recently attended a movie convention and noticed something unusual.
There was more animosity between the star wars fanatics and the Trekkies. i'm talking more contention than if you put eight M:TG players in an arena with eight yugi-FRIGGIN'-oh... and they all had swords... and pikes... long pikes.

any thoughts on this.

EDIT- i'm only talking about the die-hard, all-my-movies-or-nothing fans. anyone can reply though.

Funny, I don't find the viewing of Anime as being a Geek pastime. Nor playing Magic, nor watching Sci-Fi. These are all pastimes that millions upon millions enjoy and a large amount of them watch and play them in moderation.

Now I'm a geek and I'm not going to say I'm not. But just because I watch a ton of Anime, play a ton of games, make multiple Magic Decks and enjoy Star Trek doesn't mean everyone who likes one of these things is a Geek because I am. -_-

When the average geek calls himself a geek, he is absolutely not trying to insult those more casual fans of nerdy pastimes. It is more of a symbol of pride, like embracing one's ethnicity. It is my personal conviction that almost everybody has a "geeky" obsession about something, whether it's being able to identify the make and model of every pickup truck ever manufactured, knowing what some pop idol eats for breakfast on Thursdays, or having the fabulous ability to list every D&D sorceror/wizard spell, from 0th to 9th level, sorted by school of magic. This is why it is important to be tolerant to other social groups; it's all the same.

Damn. Even I can't do that. My thing is a kinda general knowledge about everything, a random encyclopedic knowledge in quantom physics that I don't know how I know, and a greater-than-average knowledge of Tolkien's writings.

Edit: Oh, and the ability to descern the era, and often the composer of any classical piece I hear.

My geek skills?
Pl-l34R MY L337 Dl\lD 5l<lLLZ!! 3y3 7l/\lNl< MY PC 2 d4 M4X!!
I also read lots of webcomics, and can read LeetSpeak

Well, it ain't for lack of tryin' on my part.

Anyway, judging from the posts here, I think I'm only about a level 3-4 geek, with plenty of points into my video game skills but only the basics in anime, sci-fi, comics (specialty in web-based) and pen & paper/collectible card games. I need to put together another magic deck and get those episodes of RahXephon that someone recommended so I can level up!

Although, those 2 years of computer programming classes did give me a few levels to my nerd class. Dual class 4eva!

all this talk brings back a nagging question in mind.

what is the actual definition of a geek or nerd? no, demon with a glass hand, not the dictionary's rodent eater, but the social definition. if you read back on nerd2nerd and here, we have mainly given discriptions and "sub-classes" of them. we have never really defined them.

as for my idea... i find it impossible to define what i and most of my friends are. it just "is". can anyone else take a crack at the definition?

Ask 1000 people, get 1000 answers.

so very true. how can you ask for us to put a definition to something that is so widely applied? it's like asking a person to write a book about life. where the "friggin heck" do you start?

EDIT-- aren't most definitions descriptions anyway?

A geek is a circus performer who bites the heads of of chickens or other small animals.

A nerd is someone who is very intelligent, but who is fairly lacking in social skills.

Four pages, closing.