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Bob The Mercenary 03-22-2005 03:08 PM

School Shooting
 
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050322/D8903PBG0.html

I bet GTA made him do it. -_-

I went to watch some tv yesterday because I was bored and the first thing that I saw was a special report on the Red Lake shooting. I tried getting as accurate information as I could, but everyone was contradicting each other. I heard "2 dead" here and "8 dead" there, "there were two shooters" no "there was one shooter". This article finally cleared it up.

This kid was clearly unstable. He was logging on to Nazi websites, and in addition to that:
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Relatives told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that Weise was a loner who usually wore black and was teased by other kids. Relatives told the newspaper his father committed suicide four years ago, and that his mother was living in a Minneapolis nursing home because she suffered brain injuries in a car accident.
That's almost a too perfect setup for a shooting, as sad as it is to say. Depending on how senile his grandparents were (who were probably watching after him) I'm not going to hold them accountable for their grandkid's actions. That guy was just lost from the start. I would have felt sorry for him had he not committed nine counts of murder.

Robot Jesus 03-22-2005 03:18 PM

the only question I have is what are “anti social beliefs”.

ApathyMan 03-22-2005 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robot Jesus
the only question I have is what are “anti social beliefs”.

Here's an answer:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...443462,00.html

Bob The Mercenary 03-22-2005 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ApathyMan

You posted it before I did.

That pretty much explains it all. I guess he's going to get his chance to meet Hitler face-to-face.

Viktor Von Russia 03-22-2005 04:08 PM

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"When I was growing up, I was taught (like others) that Nazi's were (are) evil and that Hitler was a very evil man, ect," wrote Todesengel, in a quote not corrected for spelling and grammar. "Of course, not for a second did I believe this. Upon reading up on his actions, the ideals and issues the German Third Reich adressed, I began to see how much of a lie had been painted about them. They truly were doing it for the better."
"Doing it for the better, huh?" Did he forget that their plan was to wipe out everyone of a different race? Which, incidentally, would mean that Weise, being Native American, would have been executed had he been living in Nazi Germany.
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"He expressed himself well and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young,"
Highly intelligent? Based on the posts quoted by that article, he seems like a grade-A moron, to me.
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"Weise participated in the forum in part because, unlike 'white nationalist' or 'white power' movements, the LNSG embraces all races as part of its vision of world nationalism.
So a Hitler admirer who wants "racial purity" posts on a neo-Nazi forum that accepts all races (a huge paradox if I ever heard one) because he's afraid of the Aryan people in the White Power sites.
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In a July 13 post, NativeNazi expressed his concern that Native Americans had turned their backs on racial purity and were being weakened by "interracial mixing". He was particularly annoyed that young Native Americans were copying the culture of African Americans.
My point in all this is that this guy is clearly confused. Not to mention fucked up in the head. No doubt this kid planned his killing spree thinking that he's furthering some cause. The fact of the matter is though, he was kidding himself; this was about killing people, plain and simple. Suffice to say, had he lived through this, I don't think our legal system has any punishment to match what he did. I sincerely hope this bastard's burning.

Napoleon98 03-22-2005 06:23 PM

I agree on the paradox part, casue yea, that is sort of weird. I mean, he could of posted for hteir open mindedness, but still jsut seems sort of unlikely...

Calling him a moron seems a bit premature. Apparently he seemed like a well informed intelligent person, and insulting him simply because he praised Hitler may be uncalled for. I agree that Hitler was a horrible person, and his acts were atrocious to say the least, but I'd still like to not balme or insult someone just for their personal beliefs. Please don't insult me for that...lol

But yes, he was seriosuly fucked up in the head, whats even more fucked up is that in his school he has to go through a damn metal detector... says sometyhing about his community. And strangely enough, there are a surprising amount of people who think Hitler was right, even though it means that tehy themselves would ahve been killed...

Mashirosen 03-22-2005 07:07 PM

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Depending on how senile his grandparents were
His grandfather was a local police officer -- this article says that's how he got the guns.

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whats even more fucked up is that in his school he has to go through a damn metal detector... says sometyhing about his community
There was an earlier school shooting in Minnesota two years ago -- it wouldn't be surprising to find out that the metal detectors were installed not too long after that. The problem is that no amount of band-aid measures like security guards and closed-circuit cameras are ever going to stop things like this, as long as the real problems that cause them aren't dealt with. Another article mentions he'd gotten in trouble before for making threats at school, but other than putting him in some kind of enforced homeschooling program, did the school do much of anything about him?

Edit: boy, I hope Jack Armstrong's got his ambulance chasing shoes on. The very first article about this I read, I thought to myself: oh, okay, so he was some dumbass neo-Nazi -- at least they can't drag out the video game angle this time. Within less than a minute, the next article just about fell over itself to mention that YES THE SUSPECT WAS RUMORED TO ENJOY THE NOTORIOUS PSYCHO-STIMULANT "TELEVIDEO GAMES" THAT ALL MURDERERS THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO CRAVE. For all we know the Dreamcast was fresh off the assembly line the last time this little cretin touched a console, but it doesn't matter, does it?

Nikkoru 03-22-2005 07:47 PM

Aww damn it, Todesengel was my online screenname for three years.

You wonder how they don't see the warning signs of these kids -- I guess they do but don't get the insentive to help them.

Syka 03-22-2005 09:22 PM

What an idiot, how can a Native American be a white supremecist(sp?)? VVR was right; he just wanted to kill people. Oh on a side note why do all of these idiots commit suicide afterwards, are they too gutless to stand up for their actions? If they feel the rest of the school deserves to die you would think they wouldn't fear retaliation. I said this in the GTA thread but I just have to say it again:
THE BULLET IS NEVER THE ANSWER

Mongoose 03-22-2005 09:57 PM

Oh man...an old friend of mine lives in St. Paul and is a senior at high school...I hope he's alright...time to look up his number..


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