Have people lost all empathy?
 

I'm trying to figure out what is the cause of the downfall in our society today. There was a time when people weren't afraid to leave their doors unlocked, or walk down the street alone at night, but you just can't do those things anymore. The reason I bring this up, is because my wallet was stolen the other night. I had left it in my pants in a dressing room while I was on stage for a dress rehearsal. But it wasn't the fact that all my money was stolen that has upset me, it's the feeling of having been violated that gets me.
I can't understand what makes someone do stuff like this? Do they have no empathy for their fellow man? Please help me understand.

People are people for whatever reason... I'll say this though, don't give up on humanity, we're not all as bad as you think. Chances are that whoever did this was jsut doing it to be a prick, but surprisingly, most people who do steal and what not, don't do it because they don't ahve any empathy, it's because they 'need' the money, and they've seen so many movies that use this line over and over "well banks have insurance, no one's actually losing anything, they'll be reinbursed." I only bring it up because most people rationalize their decisions to do wrong thing,s by saying that they really aren't wrong, or that they need it more than you do...

Other people just do it because they're synical sons of bitches, and clinicaly f*ed up in the head... Their mommy hit them or daddy never loved them or whatever bullshit reason they want to give, they jsut don't see it as wrong.

in this world, you need a motto to survive. something to live by. I follow my Honor, and if something goes against it, then It is wrong... people today lack the same sense of honor and kinship to each other. If someone had needed the money in a bad way and asked you for it, bets are, since this offended you so, you would have lent it to them, wouldn't you?

but people have been taught, for some inane reason, that everyone just wants to fuck you up bad. so walk lightly and carry a big stick, man. not much you can do except be an example.

I don't think your wallet was stolen because somehow humanity has just now fallen off some plateau of decency. Theft has been around for ages. I'm sorry it was taken, though. I know it's a hassle.

Humanity isn't in nearly such a bad state as you put it. The majority of people in this world are still good. If this weren't true, your wallet would be stolen every day.

Just when was this golden age of which you speak? I missed that.

Getting hurt can cause you to be cynical in love, it's the same thing for you but for humanity. Why everyone else is afraid? paranoid? constantly looking out for danger in benign situation? Well..the amount of time the media spends overblowing whatever it thinks will make you scared, street cime goes down but reporting on street crime goes up.... constant alarmist news, and consistant negative imagry of this or that seen on fiction.

Three people get attacked by sharks and suddenly it is "shark attack crisis '05", pathetic infotainment..

society was never great, it just appears to be getting worse.

How long have you been around that you can determine that society is moving in a downward direction? How can you determine that society is moving at all? Who are you counting as society?

Do you think there are more bad people than good people?
Do you think human beings are naturally good or bad?

Do you think this might be, on a very small level, an example of social darwinism? Survival of the fittest and whatnot. If you're dumb enough to leave your wallet behind, you deserved to get it stolen. This is a life lesson to you. As Crode said, there have been thieves for thousands of years. Just as there have been prostitutes and tricksters and other underworld groups.

Statements about "where society is going" are uninformed and speculative, they rarely contain any truth. I'm sure you won't leave your wallet behind ever again. Hope you didn't lose too much money.

^ There's your empathy.

I for have to answer that yes, for the most part, society has been going downhill since about the 70s (in America anyway, it may have started sooner/later in other countries). Society used to have things like right and wrong, now things are becoming increasingly subjective, there is no longer a set standard of morality/right vs wrong, which is leading to things like clinical murder, pampering of criminals, ect. When the Truth is lost, all other things soon follow.

Wait, pampering criminals is a sign of a society in decay? I beg to differ. I think it's a sign of human progression. Are we supposed to let them rot? Put them on the racks? Since when were dungeons and filth the golden age of criminal rehabilitation, or humanity at large?

I can't speak for everywhere, but when I was young, nobody ever had to lock there doors or walk around with only a few dollars in there wallet for fear of getting mugged. You rarely heard of any violent crimes or people getting raped. This was small town USA, that stuff happened in the big cities. Then slowly as time progressed things got worse. We're still living in small town USA, but crime has gotten worse.
There was a time when it was considered proper etiquette to let travellers stay in your home overnight. Yes this was in the 1800s, but if society isn't decaying morally then why is it no longer safe to do so.
I'm not saying that I wasn't being stupid leaving my wallet unattended, but then I guess I'm still living in the past. I had trust in my fellow man, but each day that trust declines. "Trust a person until s/he gives you reason to do otherwise," has always been my motto. But everyday that weakens.

If we go further back, it was dangerous for a woman to ever travel alone, lest she be accosted and raped, possibly slain.
Villagers feared the bandits that roamed the lands and had to struggle to survive.
Oh, oh, recently even, certain groups, genders, or even entire races were discriminated against, sometimes barred from voting/having a voice or even being treated as equals.

Yes, society is certainly headed to nihility.


It seems the Internet is a growing repository for attempting to bash trend X, whine about politics that only are half understood by those whining, and claim that society is in the shitter.

Personally, I'd have to say that 'society' goes in a circle rather than plumeting down (or rising up for that matter). Some might call it a downward spiral, and in a way that might be true. I think we tend to repeat past mistakes in new, and oft-times worse ways.

Sure, some things are 'better', but not in every country. And where some things HAVE improved quite a bit, there always seems to have been a price paid that made it not quite worth it. (IMO and e.g.: The more freedom achived, the less moral balance we have. Not that 'freedom' is bad in and of itself. Its quite good as I'm sure all would agree...)

Some kinda famous guy once said something about society, or government more specifically... One Henry Kissinger said something to the effect of:

"Every civilization that has ever existed has ultimately collapsed...History is a tale of efforts that failed, of aspirations that weren’t realized .*.*. So, as a historian, one has to live with a sense of the inevitability of tragedy.”

This guy was a pretty 'big-picture' thinker I take it.

I also simply think that people only accept there is mroe crime because htey experience it first hand. Your wallet was stolen, does that immediately mean there is more crime or less empathy? And the whole thing about people walking in fear about being mugged so they only keep a few dollars on them, and huge fear of big city assaults? I'm pretty sure that you have a distorted view.

I lived in Plano,Tx until January of this year, and now I live in Denton,Tx. About my fifteenth b-day, my friends took me to a 'club' in Downtown Dallas(don't know if you can really call it a club when 15 year olds can get in, was a POS). Now if you don't know, Dallas is sort of known for being a scary ass palce with gang shootings and robberies all the time, and downtown dallas, makes the rest of it look like a nursery. Despite the well known reputation this area had, no one walked in fear, there was no "OMG what if some gang coems and rapes me? wha would I do?!" histerical screaming, jsut people, enjoying life and having fun. Of course these were the people going next door to a real club with lots and lots of booze, but hey. Every weekend I go to downtown dallas, go to one club or another, and parking is hell down in deep ellum, often times you will ahve to park a block or a few away, and walk it. And it's seriosuly one of those clichè scenes for when people meet the Batman. Every other streetlamp is burned out, the ones that do work flicker rediculously, and theres bound to be atleast 2 groups of people in 2 different allyways smoking something(generally lots of somethings) and who glare at you the entire time you're in view. Still, never once in 5 years of walking alone down this street have I ever been mugged, and I look like an easy target. I'm not exactly cut and ripped, I look like that guy who gets bullied in high school(luckily I'm not though :p ) But my point is, that yes, Dallas has a HUGE crime rate, but not near as big as news companies and gossip make it out to be. Now, when I can say that the crime rate of Dallas,Tx isn't as big as people think it is, and be serious, then no city ahs got issues as big as they make them otu to be, and seriously, its a wallet. Yea you'll have to go get a new Dl, SSn card(if you kept it on you) cehcking or credit cards, and yea its a hassel, but that doesn't mean people have lost all empathy, or society is going downhill.

And Hennry Kissinger is also wrong(keep reading), not every society has in fact fallen. Now, in the future it is highly likely that his statement will hold true, but England is still around. They've conformed and switched their government, rose to and fell from 'world power' status; but they're still there, they keep adjusting to the times. And as long as people are willing to change what they love to return its glory, then every society has a chance. Also, I don't believe taht every society has collapsed, they have been forced to abandon their city/territory from time to time, they ahve switched rulership and laws, but not all has collapsed. They simply evolved. I'm ironically sounding rather optimistic about all this, so I guess its a good day, but I understand my view won't be shared by all, in fact I doubt anyone will agree with me on the society thing, but just know that without evolution we would not be here. Not necesarily evolution on a genetic lvl, but our technology has evolved, so would you say the day of the radio is dead sicne now we have xm? I say no, the radio simply changed itself to adapt to people;s needs, so now it has xm as well. Think of society like the radio, we adapt to meet new challeneges, some say the old way died out, I say we simply added to it.

Que es Veritas?
What is truth?

I think America has gone in to a downward spiral since the introduction of rap and the gangsta lifestyle (I'm not saying this to be racist or anything just here me out)

Ever since capping cops and whores became "cool" and mainstream, every single kid wants to do it. Shooting people is not cool at all. But that's the message that is given by America's culture. Kids look up to these people and are the best thing ever because they think they've actually done these things.

Of cource they are not telling the truth. They all have the same basic story: "I left the mob to start rapping" or something to that effect. What the hell kinda crap mob were they a part of. Real gangs don't allow their members to leave. Unless they're dead. and these people are clearly not dead so how could they have ever been a part of any good mob?

That's Strike one

We all know that shooting cops and whores is bad unless you're playing GTA of course :p Anyways, why would you shoot cops? They're there for our protection...unless they're courrupt but that's improbabal. So by shooting cops (or "singing" (if you could call it that) about it) you most likely did something naughty. Could have had something to do with the dead whore you just were "singing" about? Shooting cops or anybody isn't cool outside of the GTA world. By telling kids it's ok to shoot people isn't that sending the wrong message? I think some parents need to do some actual parenting before letting their kid listen to some guy tell their kids to have sex with a whore and then kill her.

That's strike 2

Here's the pitch...
once when I was in 4th grade I got fed up with not knowing anything about rap so one day I changed my radio setting to some music that sounded like rap...well as it turned out it was a spanish music station...to this day they still sound the same to me...(not that I have anything against spanish music I'm just making a point that rap sounds like a forigen language)

Strike out!

Why is America slipping and sliding? I think that the lifestyle of bling and guns has something to do with it.

the heroes of the kids today are lying to them and are advocating morally courrupt values. These kids are the future. As Bender would say "We're Boned."

Until next time,
Death by Stabbing

I think people are just becoming more nihilistic as society develops.
Or as a fictitious character better than I has said

If our society seems more nihilistic than that of previous eras, perhaps
this is simply a sign of our maturity as a sentient species. As our
collective consciousness expands beyond a crucial point, we are
at last ready to accept life's fundamental truth: that life's only
purpose is life itself.

-- Chairman Sheng-ji Yang,
"Looking God in the Eye"

I think you meant Quid Veritas est? if you wanted it in Latin. Anyway, part of Truth is Natural Law, which means there is a set morality/right and that certain things go against it (rape, murder, and theft for example).

PS Quoting a character from a video game is not a good way to back up your argument. And btw, don't get into nihilism, there's nothing there =p

*I got another one. Stay away from nihilism, it has nothing to offer. Damn I'm clever.

Do you honestly believe that shooting cops is cool inside the GTA world? Why on earth would you even talk about that game, it a horrible waste of time and money. You run around and all you can do is kill,shoot, steal, and other highly illegal, and in most cases highly improbable things. People only enjoy it because it allows them to do things they can't normally do in real life, but still. You said thatp arents need to actually od more parenting, If anyone disagrees with that then you're a moron. Parents haven't been parents in ages (in most cases, not all). They rely on TV and high tech gedgets to raise their kids, then bitch and moan when the TV does somethign htey find offensive. But back to the intigration of htese two topics, parnts don't teach, kids have fun on GTA, kid doesn't know fact from fiction, kid plays out GTA with his school buddies and his daddy's handgun. GTA to blaim? Nope. Parent's to blaim? hell yes! So despite my optimism earlier, if htere is in fact a downward spiral in society, its due ot the parents, and if you are soon on your way to becommign one, raise your kid, don't liekt a bad mixture of barney and GTA do it for you...

Firstly, Synk, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Unless, perhaps, I was CroTeam. He said it pretty well too.

Anyway:
I love how this statement is made without any backing, whatsoever. It's just "There's natural (moral) law because I say so." You do that a lot, Sessh.

Show me proof of this natural law, of yours. Show me proof that the universe has morality. Show me that animals don't rape and kill each other. Show me that dolphins don't have gangbangs. Show me that ancient humans didn't force cripples and blind people to fight as COMEDY acts. Show me something beyond your personal beliefs to back this up. A belief without any kind of evidence doesn't belong in a discussion.

If there's a 'Natural' morality, it's either extremely utilitarian, to the point of being sickening, or has never been truly observed. Which, when you think about it, would make it pretty unnatural, eh?

Show me proff beyond your personal belief that there isn't a natural law of right and wrong? And please do not compare humans to beasts, I hope that we have moved beyond that. Are you saying that you don't feel outraged/saddened/sickened each time you hear that some innocent person has been murdered, or raped? Are you saying that if for some unfathomable reason the government made rape and murder legal, taht you would believe that nothing was wrong with that? The conscience is there for a reason.

Krylo, nor anyone else, can't prove an absolute negative. And I don't think it the opposite should be expected. The burden of proof is on the one saying there is a "natural law of right and wrong".

If there is a natural law, why is it dependent on people being aware of it? How can it be lost? If it is in fact "natural" and not dependent on any artificial norm (cultural or legal), that is. If it is dependent on a so-called Truth to apply, how is it a natural law? Even if we exclude "beasts", humans do break that "natural law" all the time.

That people have to be reminded that they are bound by something to be bound by something only shows that this thing doesn't really bind them at all: only the unfounded belief that there is a natural law make people obey a conception of a natural law.

Edit: That particular videogame character makes damn good points.

in fair arguement, this is something that cannot be proved or un proved. if someone is left alone their entire lives away from society and suddenly sees it, will he be sickened by what we have done? will his sense of morality have sprung into existance alone? since it would be inhumane to do that, call this one a draw so no flaming happens.

so speaks the temp admin.

I'm not quoting anything...when you write in another language you italicize.
What game were you thinking of?

It is true that the media and a small amount of what could be called 'mass paranoia' fan the flames of fear and distrust, but unfortunatly, thats a cycle that was insigated by the initial negative action (i.e. crime).

The fact that a crime was committed which affected oneself does tend to make someone think about the bad stuff that goes on in the world though. I think this is permissable, and I don't think he meant that 'this happened to me' = 'the world suxorz my clucksorz'.

You say in here that the crime rate is high where you live, but since nothing has happened to YOU (yet, if I might remind you. And I hope you are very careful with yourself in this area) its 'not that bad'. Doesn't that seem a bit similar to what you thought Thanatos was saying (I mean in the nature of the argument)? I can understand that there are varying viewpoints on how bad crime is, but you've got to have a better reason that 'media hypes everything' and ' stuff doesn't happen to me'. I'm almost sure there's a logical fallacy in there.

Enough change to the nature and structure of a government or group seems equivilant to a 'fall' from its former state, at least in my opinion. Esspecially if the change is fueled by something strong and quick like a revolution or a war. Sure, the people themselves remain in tact (eh... well, survivors anyway) and people in general will always be the same on an independant level... But the structure of everything from government to social values can and does change. The irony in that is that whatever mistakes led to a change are either repeated or avioded in 'favor' of other mistakes that lead us full circle.

And no, not every empire or government has fallen... yet. America still exists, too. But this is all much like the fact that you have not been mugged/raped/robbed yet. It does not mean that it will not happen, and if you put yourself in a position where the probability of it increases... It very well could.

Kissenger's quote might be interpreted this way; change leads to more change, so yes society 'evolves', but into what? So far, more of the same as we've observed in the past, just with higher frame rate and faster modes of transportation. :bmage:

Well, yes. But the introduction of the gangster lifestyle actually occured much earlier last century than the introduction of 'hip-hop' culture. You want to talk about brutal? This 'gangsta rap' image is kid stuff compared with what happened in the REAL mafia.

But your point is well taken. I hope that rap is on its way out... but not just becuase of that. 'Pop' in any form is so... bleh. You feel me?

'Is society getting better or worse?'

You're right. It is difficult to be objective, becuase a lot of things come into play. Historical Accuracy, Personal Expiriences, Personal Belifes (religious or otherwise).

I think the person with a critical eye might wonder how many times we will screw up before we get it right... whereas an optomistic person might see us in a very progressive chain of events, although not yet progressed. Total 'glass half empty/full scenario'.

Sessh: Your conscience is by no means a universal or natural law. Your conscience is affected by your belief system and belief systems are mutable. You're disturbed by evil and antisocial acts. Fair enough. But that does not make them wrong by universal standards, it merely makes them wrong by your personal standards. Depending on what those standards are, it may also be considered wrong by others, but it violates no natural or universal law. Hell, if a rock floated upward one day, THAT would violate universal law, the law of gravity, but if said rock were used to bash someone's skull in, it would be a moral matter and out of the context of universal law.

In the first place this topic's gotten FAR out of hand. Just because someone steals your wallet doesn't mean society is bad, it means one guy is bad. It'll happen in any society because you made yourself a target of opportunity and any immoral opportunist would take it. And why would people be immoral? Desperation. When you're hungry and have bills to pay, it's very easy to justify whatever you deem fit to yourself. Hell, I've done it a few times myself. Hunger can change your moral perspective in a hurry.

Yeah I know it's not like the real mafia...that was part of my point I didn't really get around to so thanks for bring it up...

Also I remembered something I read in the news paper the other day...
Some compony is creating a TCG based on the gangsta lifestyle...
the cards the specifically mentioned were:

Get a gun: 5 points
Do a Drive by: 8 points
Read a Book: -3 points

Now they're teaching kids to not read...that's just fantastic!

And yeah I'm gonna go with Dante on that other point
Read a book
called: Stranger in a Strange Land By Robert Hienlien
It will show you one way of what could happen if a person was thrust in to Earth's culture would react.

Trust me it's worth loosing 3 points to read it :-p

Love,
DBS

I was sort of making this argument, my point wasn't that crime doesn't exist, or negative events don't happen - but the media changes our preception of how much it is happening and to what severity - so people believe the world is getting worse, but whether or not it is... is irrelevent.


Regarding the "hip-hop - gangster rap" effect on the nation, well I disagree with it's patriarchical materialistic bullshit, among other things. However I believe that poverty is usually the source of crime, people become prostitutes, theives, drug dealers, ect. more out of a need for money than out of personal enjoyment in doing it. While the hip-hop/rap culture may painfully glorify such actions it isn't at the root of why it is happening, poverty is, but it ALWAYS has. This isn't new... just it was less emphisized in music culture in the past as such lifestyles weren't talked about in music.


I disagree that things were ever as good as people seem to believe them to be in the past, a brief look at history will tell you that people weren't any kinder or more gentle than they are today. I don't lock my doors at night, I don't fear being raped - is this illogical - there is always that posibility that I could be, or robbed... but I don't feel the fear nor desire to lock myself in a brick fortress.


In conclusion i'll leave you with these classic latin words - Cogito Ergo Sum - literally translated, pizza taste good on toast.

[QUOTE=Nikkoru]However I believe that poverty is usually the source of crime, people become prostitutes, theives, drug dealers, ect. more out of a need for money than out of personal enjoyment in doing it.


I'm glad you brought up poverty. I live Northern Virginia (rated thrid worst area for gang violence in the US, after LA and Chicago), and I think poverty, combined with lack of policing and pampering of criminals, is whats leading to the rise in violence. With more of our countries money being controlled by fewer individuals, and the government favoring the rich more and more, the poor are taking unto themselves to protect themselves. The police mostly spend their time patrolling the pockets of upper-class people, arresting every suspicious (read: black or hispanic) person they can find, which keeps them too busy to drive through the bad neighborhoods. With police protection gone, the few people in every society that are only stopped from raping, pillaging, and murder by fear of prison, can have a field day on innocent civilians. Even when they are arrested, prisons today are getting to be more and more pleasant, to the point where they're sometimes better than people's lives. Think about it- free premium cable, 3 warm meals a day, weight rooms and basket ball courts, and if a guard touches you, you can sue him for everything his entire extended family will every be worth? Sounds great, doesn't it!? But back to my previous topic- someone gets everything they own stolen buy some waste of protein and the police don't help, their going to help themselves, and those who don't are so scared and depressed by the crime around them they turn to drugs to escape. And as we all know, unless you're rich, drugs quickly force you to turn to crime to support your habit. It so profitable people are willing to kill, to die, to get a slice of it. Then you have drug-gang warfare, were innoccent bistanders are killed more often than the targets. With families losing loved children or the family breadwinner, they turn to- you guessed it- drugs and crime. Its a vicious cycle, and one that news agencies and politicians exploit and worsen for their own gain.

Sorry to be so long winded, I just got rolling and couldn't stop. I, personally, live in one of the quieter areas, but its getting worse ever day. I've got a guy who is obviously a drug dealer 3 doors down from me, and last year some MS13 gangbangers moved in next door. Luckily, there are no other gangs infringing on their 'turf' (yet), but I won't be supprised when the crime-drugs-violence merry-go-round starts on my block.

Peace and love forever. Or, failing that, make sure there aren't any kids in
your line of fire,
The Notoriuos BEN

Just as a clarification, I wasn't trying to say he immediately thought the world sucked becuase it happened, jsut bringing up a point that a lot of people don't even consider the crime rate or anything until it effects them personally or a close one. Also, my statement about Dallas, I was trying to more point out that the media over inflates the dangers of an area. Compared to other areas, Dallas does ahve a rather high crime rate, but its nowhere near as bad as the news and other media's make it seem. You can't turn on the local news without a mention of at least one "shooting" that is "gang related." What actually happened, a guy got mugged, and punched. Does that mean that shootings never happen? No, jsut not near as often as everyone hears about.

And while I do agree that poverty may very well be the cause of several crimes, I must say that a lot of people go into 'that business' for the power that they think they'll get. A lot of people have a the mind set that if they go buy a pound of *insert drug here* and contiue selling it, and repeat, that they will soon move up the ranks, and soon be making millions of dollars by doing nothing, except threatening to kill people and giving their drugs to other people to sell to all the adicts. And that any time they coudl get caught, they'll have so much "street cred" that no one on the inside would even consider touching them... Man people are stupid some times

And CrazyBen... go get yourself a shotgun, and some landmines, and prepare for war, and may *insert religious figure* have mercy on your soul.

In my oppinion society doesn't suck or own of it's own accord. It's the people living in it that make it what it is. granted, the way people are brought up and what they are brought up seeing and believing does affect them as people, their is also the natural personality of a person. Now I'm no phsycologist (not even sure I can spell it right) but it seems to me that there are more people willing to jump on the band wagon now then their were before. The majority of people feel more secure with a man or woman in charge that they can follow without having to worry about the bigger picture. This human tendency plus the fact that rappers who talk about violence and how they kill people are always on TV does cause alot of people to act like assholes. But their are still other people who don't act like assholes at all and still are subjected to the same stuff as people who are assholes. My point is that maybe the basic tempering of people has moved more towards hatred and "bad" feelings than "good" feelings like trust and honesty. or I could be completely wrong and the temperament of a person has nothing to do with it at all.

And that's the problem I have. Why I asked had society lost its empathy. Empathy is an ability to relate to another persons emotions. "I have no money, I feel awful. But if I still this persons wallet s/he will have no money. That would only place them in the same situation I am." Because of where and when the theft took place, the odd are extremely high I personally know the person who took my wallet. Given this, the individual will probably know my financial status (i.e. that's all the money I had). Secondly, they also know that I'm the kind of person, that had they asked, I would have loaned them whatever I could, or just out right given it to them.
Plus, desperation is no excuse for theft on that scale. A loaf of bread from someone who has plenty to feed your starving family is one thing, but stealing that loaf from a starving family to feed yourself is different. I have been in desperate situations where i had no money, no place to live, and nothing to eat. Never once however did I still from someone where it would place them in my same situation. A man dropped a $100 bill in front of me, and I gave it back to him. the man gave me $50 for my honesty.
I lost $140 that night, because I made a mistake, and someone took advantage of that fact. My car had no gas that night, and my refrigerator was empty. I have not gone hungry all week, and my car hasn't ran out of gas. Because I can still count on a few people who aren't lacking in Empathy. The fact that many of you showed concern, has also helped me to answer my question: there is empathy out there. Perhaps it took being a victim to show me society isn't as bad as it seems.

Wow, beautiful. I was all set to post my explanation, and you blew me outta the water.

Its that simple, we dont KNOW if these are trends. Media coverage is exploding so fast that its hard to tell if X is increasing, or if simply more reporters are getting to X. And lord knows our history is less than 100% accurate.

But I do feel a change that people dont even want to be good members of society anymore. Before it was selfish competition, but now its meaningless sabatoge. In college I saw countless acts of destruction and theft, not for revenge, not for gain (most of the stolen stuff were promplty thrown away) but just for 'fun'. It has nothing to do with race, but people really into this Hip Hop trend feel its cool to do shitty things, and doing them impresses chicks. I saw an MTV add once where theyre showing off how cool they are, and buzz words were flying around in the background and one was "i like to steal". Its just soo cool.

If Thanatos' wallet got stolen, that does not mean that society is bad. But our human society is a fucked up place anyway. A wallet get's stolen, a house gets robbed, someone gets killed in a fight between people, someone commits geonocide. Happens everyday. Millions die every month. Why? You tell me that. Because humans can get really fucked up and/or ignorant? Because it was ment to be? Because it "had to be done for the good of the rest of the world"? Because...?

Who gives a crap about "universal moral laws"? Morals are our own creation, our own word and our thoughts of what is right and what is wrong. It's not something that was pre-designed for the universe and for the humankind. That is why we can live by our own morals that in the end are pretty much the same in the end. I wont justify a murder because I don't know if it's wrong or right by "universal morals". I try to live in a way that does not cause harm to anyone else, atleast not intentionally. That is my moral and my code. You have your own one if you like, but tell me why it's better than mine?

I've mentioned all the shit people do to each other. Then there's all the stuff we do to this planet and it's other inhabitants. I don't think I have to tell you what we do, cause we all know it and do parts of it everyday. One day, sooner than people usually think, this planet is going to die and take us with it. The funny thing is that we caused it. Unless by some change something else blows up this planet before we kill it. That is also why the human society is bad. We tend to care most for ourselves, but at the same time move races, including our own, towards extinction.

That's all by me for now. Sorry for making it so long and getting perhaps a bit off the point. Or did I get off the point?