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Originally Posted by bluestarultor
There's a mite difference between pulling plot points/tropes and pulling actual bits of plot. Also, a couple of those are pretty well digging for different reasons. Gods = gods? Duh? I know it's an oversimplification, but then so is the comparison. And NORA is so minor that it hardly even counts.
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Fal'Cie and Occuria aren't just the same because they're gods. They're gods who use and manipulate the entire human race to lead the world down the path they think it should go, and in both games one of the main big deals is that the heroes are putting a stop to the gods lording over the entire course of human history. I just figured it was so obvious it didn't need to be expounded upon.
Also, my problem with FFXIII bringing in stuff from previous games is less that they're doing it, and more that they're doing a really shitty job of it.
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EDIT @ your edit: Not only is that one a stretch, but it's not even true.
Summoners don't die as a direct result of defeating SIN. Rather, someone else does as a sacrifice to become their Final Aeon. It's just such a high-powered battle that the chances of survival aren't very good for anyone involved.
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No.
It kills them. The game says "Summoning the final Aeon will kill her", and it isn't a big shock because she *might* die. It's a big shock because she *will* die. As in, that is what will happen if she summons it. No alternative.
Okay. Yeah. The reason I'm comparing them is that while the cyrstalization in XIII is reversible, it's only reversible for when the Fal'Cie want you to do some other job for them. Thus the whole deal of being punished for doing what you "have" to. It's the basic underlying idea, and that's the important thing, at least to me.