[Kim]

Originally Posted by Jagos

That's debatable, because the companies get entrenched in certain ideas unless they progress the games forward. And honestly, how much have people been clamoring for Radical Dreamers, Chrono Break, or (a good) Crono Cross instead of the one remake of a game from 20 years ago? If they're going to update a franchise, it should be more in line with making new iterations into a series and a few side stories. Even then, the need to port only increases the further it's been since the game was introduced.

A Chrono Trigger port and wanting to continue the franchise are two separate issues. They're not making another Chrono Trigger game because they don't want to make another Chrono Trigger game. They remake Chrono Trigger because it will make them money with little investment. "If they're going to update the franchise they should do ____" seems to imply that they aren't doing one because of the other, which is wrong. Chrono Trigger sequels are irrelevant, because unless you have some magic insider info there's no reason to suspect one would at all effect the other.

What I'm more or less advocating is playing the game through, say, an emulator, keeping the game's integrity intact.

"The game's integrity"? What does that mean, exactly? That if you aren't playing the N64 version of Majora's Mask you're playing a bad version that is bad simply because it isn't the N64 version? In what way do games have any sort of integrity to be tainted one way or the other?

Also: 1. Nintendo has a Virtual Console, which is basically as close as we're getting to a legal emulator. Ocarina of Time is on that emulator. People still bought a lot of copies of the remake.

2. If you're arguing illegal emulation, you're basically saying that pirates should dictate how a company handles its IPs.

I'm thinking of a platform that could show off all of the Zelda games and how it's progressed through the years. Does that mean people aren't interested in replaying those games? With the advancement of GoG, I'd say that's a confirmed yes.

A platform like the Virtual Console?

Which exists?

They're all part of the same vein of games. They're presented in the same world, but we've yet to get FFXIII-2 or Versus. Square wants to tell an epic Star Wars story, but the question is, how long can this go on? Meanwhile, they neglect their older games that could appease people and actually help Square. I'm more or less criticizing how Square focuses on this one epic while neglecting the other games they have.

You argue in continuing stories instead of doing remakes, and then criticize Final Fantasy for continuing its story and telling new stories. Whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

I believe for the past 4 or 5 years, it's been almost exclusively the Final Fantasy series with little thoughts into other properties or branching out.

Kingdom Hearts keeps on trucking, I think TWEWY was more recent than what you're saying, Parasite Eve got a new game, and to be perfectly honest Final Fantasy is almost more of a clothing label than a series anyways. Complaining about more Final Fantasy games misses the point of Final Fantasy as a franchise.

Where are the older games in newer platforms that made them a good company today? Where do they allow games to be played outside of the two or three that they're currently working on? That's the question here.

So a company is only doing its job right if it's continuing its old franchises?

Square has forgotten about Valkyrie Profile along with the others mentioned.

Valkyrie Profile got a new game in 2009, and before that there was a new one in 2007.

Square's biggest problem, as I think most other companies that have been existing over two generations of consoles, is keeping those games updated for newer audiences. I recall a story on Escapist that in order to play Kingdom Hearts 1, you would have to search it down, along with all of the side games that help you keep up with it.

Kingdom Hearts is hardly an old game, and I went to my local Gamestop last week and got a copy for cheap with little difficulty finding it.

What I'm thinking of is something like Steam that shows all of these old games.

For the actually old games, there is, and it's called the Virtual Console or PSOne Classics. For games that came out so recently I can still find them at Gamestop in ten minutes I don't really feel like there's a need.

Also, you're complaining about porting while arguing that they should just port all their games to a digital distribution library. Whelp.

The problems with ports is that companies do horribly with them. Even Valve, who I like a lot, can't always get their own ports right. Sometimes, it might be better for fans to update the game and test their own skills (like the Valve Timed Black Mesa game). Hell, The Warriors might be a good game on PS2, but the ports still suck on PSP.

This has nothing to do with anything. There are good ports and there are bad ports, just like there are good sequels and bad sequels and good games and bad games. There are bad fan mods and good fan mods. There are good fan games and bad fan games. That bad remakes and ports exist in a world where bad everything exists doesn't mean anything. "I don't support remakes... Unless fans are making them..." honestly sounds a bit ridiculous.

With remakes, the magic may be lost on redoing a game. There's very few that honestly need an update. It might be better to just do an entirely new game instead of living in the past.

I'd say the idea that the original version of a game is as good as that game can ever be and to update it is to violate its integrity is the very definition of living in the past.

While the companies can do it, it still takes resources and manpower from any future projects.

As I said, it takes a very small amount compared to a completely new game, and these remakes make the company money, money that they can then put towards original projects.

new problems arise such as with Ocarina of Time 3D and the wonkier camera and targeting issues.

I have a hard time believing that OoT3D has a wonkier camera and more targeting issues than the original.

Yes, but those are tied to the console. I'm saying a Steam version, which is tied to an individual. Once you run out to buy the PS4 and the XBox 720, it's going to be VERY interesting to see how either console ships over their respective networks, which you have no control over.

"My name is Jagos and I'm upset that consoles aren't PCs."

EDIT: "I also criticize Square Enix for not taking action that would essentially require that consoles be PCs."