[Jagos]

Originally Posted by NonCon

A Chrono Trigger port and wanting to continue the franchise are two separate issues. They're not making another Chrono Trigger game because they don't want to make another Chrono Trigger game. They remake Chrono Trigger because it will make them money with little investment. "If they're going to update the franchise they should do ____" seems to imply that they aren't doing one because of the other, which is wrong. Chrono Trigger sequels are irrelevant, because unless you have some magic insider info there's no reason to suspect one would at all effect the other.

I'm thinking that they should continue making stories with the Chrono Trigger franchise, not constantly update only one game out of the CT universe. The last Crono Cross game to come out is on the PS1. No one has seen nor heard of it since. If any game needed an overhaul, Cross probably does need to be reintroduced to society instead of kept in Square's "vault" like a Disney movie.

"The game's integrity"? What does that mean, exactly? That if you aren't playing the N64 version of Majora's Mask you're playing a bad version that is bad simply because it isn't the N64 version? In what way do games have any sort of integrity to be tainted one way or the other?

This is building off of Yahtzee's argument that having games like Silent Hill being done by an amateurish voice actor. The odd quirks when some games are made that immerse you more into the games. The remake would actually remove that VA and be professionally done, changing what others thought made the games special.

2. If you're arguing illegal emulation, you're basically saying that pirates should dictate how a company handles its IPs.

I'm thinking more like Gog or Steam. The problem is Nintendo tends to hold onto their IP, and leaves some games out. It's more or less an idea on showing how a company has progressed over the years. Even the defunct companies such as Virgin Games stand to benefit from people seeing their former works in a new platform. A platform that's again, not tied to the console. As I've said before, when it's time to upgrade, Steam, Impulse, all of those digital distribution sites will be right there with consumers. But all of the money spent for the 360 titles, PSN or even Virtual Console games are tied to those consoles. What happens when Microsoft shuts down the 360 servers for the next batch of games? I'm not positive if the Wii U will allow backwards compatibility, but it's still tied to a system, which is a major detriment to the console approach.

You argue in continuing stories instead of doing remakes, and then criticize Final Fantasy for continuing its story and telling new stories.

I'm arguing about how they take so long to make those stories while neglecting others. That's more or less Wada's problem. Square used to have their developers in charge of various IP which kept new ideas flowing through them. Nowadays, it seems that Square has one grandiose idea that is taking a decade to finish. It just seems that Square has only a few franchises that it focuses on, yet they do nothing with the rest of them.

So a company is only doing its job right if it's continuing its old franchises?

There's a few things here that I'm advocating:

1) Make a digital library of games, archiving the games from their respective consoles

2) Allow someone else to license a game (fan or commercial) a port or remake, while working on newer ways to add to the stories

3) Have the games accessed through the digital library, where people could pay for access like Onlive or pay for the backup game at a cheaper price. Hell, it might help take down the Gamestop monopoly.

4) Move forward with a franchise as much or as little as possible, but keep it updated on the archive.

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The problem with this, some franchises have a ton of games that have potential.

Just in Square, you have Ehrgeiz, Tobal, Chocobo Dungeon, Seiken Densetsu, Secret of Evermore. I believe that Enix just started releasing the older Dragon Quest games. But going to play all of these games would take a lot of time to find them and see if they were good for consumers.

Valkyrie Profile got a new game in 2009, and before that there was a new one in 2007.

You're missing my point. Valkyrie Profile was a game that wasn't updated for 6 years until it was released in 2006 as an enhanced port on the PSP. Then they release Covenant of the Plume on the DS. So you have to buy both consoles (PSP & DS) to continue the series. You have to wait for years for anything regarding the Valkyrie series, pay top moolah for it, and buy the consoles even if they're possibly out of stock or no longer carried. And that doesn't guarantee the success of the developer, or the franchise if the developer decides to kill it.

For the actually old games, there is, and it's called the Virtual Console or PSOne Classics. For games that came out so recently I can still find them at Gamestop in ten minutes I don't really feel like there's a need.

You're looking more towards a product. I'm thinking more along the lines of providing a service. An archival digital library that isn't tied to a console, that could be played on almost any machine? How much more valuable would that be if people could have one convenient location to pull all of those games depending on console?

Also, you're complaining about porting while arguing that they should just port all their games to a digital distribution library.

Uhm... Not complaining, just stating some of the downsides. My belief is that the developers should spend more time with newer ideas and games, less time with porting or remaking older ones. Like Crono DS doesn't add much to the story that no one already know. Why put that out when people would have been perfectly fine with the SNES version?

Obviously, it's not just Square we're talking about here. Like the Spunky Knight or Vectorman games that I've mentioned, some games won't be upgraded at all (or are remade too damn much), so people are left not knowing some game franchises.

Originally Posted by EckScizor

Jagos is just mad people want Majora's Mask remade while Capcom cancelled MegaMan Legends 3.

You would have had me if you had said Mother 3. :p