[Mr.Bookworm]

Originally Posted by Amake

What do you know, after sleeping on it I found an opinion. I think whatever damage Fish may have done to the indie game scene is ridiculously unimportant.

Nobody actually gives two shits about the "damage Fish may have done to the indie game scene".

He's a arrogant jackass who flounced out of the room after someone called him an asshole.

He told someone to kill themselves, which is, you know, a completely fucking awful thing to do.

So, fuck that guy. That's what this is about.

and yet they apparently deal with it without feeling the need to attack Card personally. Indie game enthusiasts have not shown the same dignity.

It's hard to talk about an asshole without calling him an asshole.

Also, flatly incorrect on the Card thing. Plenty of people insult him. He is a reprehensible fucking person and he should be called out as such.

There's probably more than one hopeful young dev who might have made the Citizen Kane of games, but who maybe isn't too confident in their ability to maintain a tolerable public persona, and reads about this and learns what the Internet hate machine does to you if you don't keep your mouth shut and gives up and gets a honest job instead.

Here's a thought: If you cannot manage to not come across as an asshole, maybe you are an asshole. It's not that hard! Most people do it every day. I don't see a thousand other game developers being called out as assholes on a regular basis.

I would tell them, as I would have told Fish, that it doesn't matter what people think of you,

Bullshit! Absolute fucking bullshit. This is up there with "sticks and stones blah blah blah" for shit advice.

Of course it matters what other people think of you. It matters even when those people are flat out objectively wrong, because they will act in accordance with their beliefs. OSC isn't a vile little toad because every time he hates a gay person, they get hit by lightning. He is a vile little toad because his homophobia expresses itself in his actions, which are directly harmful to gay people.

you can say nothing, be a complete nonentity to your audience, and if your work is good then people will enjoy it. But I don't know if anyone can believe that, since we're apparently so damn eager to judge the quality of a work by the behavior of its author that we celebrate when a guy we hate stops making games. I think that's the real problem here.

If you buy anything, you are placing money right into the hand of it's maker.

If you judge the maker to be a piece of shit, you might decide that you don't want to give them money, even if you want the thing in question.

You will then probably call the maker a piece of shit, because expressing feelings and thoughts and emotions is something human beings do, and you may want other people to know about their shittiness so they don't give a shitty person money.

This is, in fact, how boycotts work.

Originally Posted by greed

Obviously you need to do some reading on the Stardock guy

Oh god, Stardock guy. Yeah, Fish has some major competition.