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Originally Posted by Krylo

I don't think you understand what a straw man is.

To be fair, in a technical sense, you're not totally fabricating an argument for me, so I guess you're kind of right there. Fine, is there a logical fallacy for when you pretend part of an argument doesn't exist?

To quote what I actually said again:

It is dumb. Religion didn't spontaneously invent fear, it's just one of many things we use to give it shape and teach it to others - often for good reason, but then not always. If you want to blame religion for all that stuff, you're going to have to stretch that out to culture in general. Or you could just, y'know, blame people for being homophobic. OR, even better, you could do something more constructive than than trying to blame something, and maybe actually help people overcome their fears.

You could go after certain religious institutions for being big proponents of homophobia, but say you abolish X religion and religious institution; do you think all of the people involved in it will just up and change their core character, or will they just find another way to express it? The institutions and religions aren't the problem. They can't do anything. They're as alive as corporations.

Edit: Okay, I guess if your point isn't that it's debatable or that it could be right, then yeah, I can see considering it more of an immature worldview. But I don't think the "all" has anything to do with it.

Now here's what you said I said:

You: It's stupid to say religion causes homophobia, 'cause people will be homophobic anyway, even when religions do promote it.

I mean, that's not even the reason I gave after calling it dumb. You're turning an example I used into my entire argument.

You come in here and call everyone immature, then pull this juvenile bullshit? Yeah, forget it.