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Unread 12-18-2009, 06:19 AM   #112
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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants View Post
The point is that he voluntary associated with the law. He didn't have to join onto it. This is one of the problems though. Both options have been argued - either he accept the rules he helped shape or expel him from the collective good which is a large punishment in its own right. It is arguable how satisfactory this is.
The main idea is that once private property goes the need for most crimes will disappear though crimes of passion will remain.
So, if you commit murder the anarcho-communist way of dealing with it is cutting them off from the collective food/resource supply, and that's it? This sounds like a recipe for more murder, so I'm sure I misunderstood.

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The more anarchic communists argue that you don't need any form of organisation. There is no private property, no wage labour, people are free to do what they want and their natural tendencies will lead to the collective good. Some argue that there can be voluntary associations which may help to direct work if necessary- particularly workers collectives in factories and such like- but they are completely voluntary and are suggestive only.
Its interesting that you talk about factories. How would things like this be handled, generally? Who decides who runs the factory? What makes people listen to this person? If the people who decide they want to work in the factory end up being the ones who make the rules, it won't run efficiently at all. In both plants I've worked in, the people doing the actual work mostly had no idea how the general process worked, and so would make decisions that made their life easier, but messed up the finished product. They also tend to not believe the manager's word about why they need to change what they're doing, they only do so because they don't want to lose the job. I don't see the same incentive coming from the anarchist system.

After these thoughts I read this:
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It is important in such a system to have no private land/property- except as necessary for production.
So, would someone owning the factory be seen as necessary then? How would this person get people to want to work the jobs? Alot of factories make things that the people in them would have no use for. There's no money...would we have to give up technology for this sort of system? I don't like that idea, nor do I think people in general would.
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