Obama defends war in his peace prize acceptance speech

[Gregness]

"Let us reach for the world that ought to be," Obama said. "We can understand that there will be war, and still strive for peace."

I agree with Obama on this one. I think that maybe they should have waited until the next award cycle to honor Obama (is the nobel annual?), if only because the committee is essentially banking on his future accomplishments, but I don't think the award is ill deserved.

[Aerozord]

but you are ok with the irony of advocating war in a peace prize speach?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Aerozord

but you are ok with the irony of advocating war in a peace prize speach?

Accepting the reality of violence being the only resort in some cases is not, in my opinion advocating war.

[Aerozord]

still not the kind of thing that should be in a peace prize speech. Just because its a valid point doesn't mean thats the right time to make it.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by grthwllms

Accepting the reality of violence being the only resort in some cases is not, in my opinion advocating war.

It is when it's bullshit.

Put another way, when war is the "only" result you can come up with for fighting the incredible menace of people eking out subsistence existences in remote Pakistani villages, you are pretty much just advocating war.

[BitVyper]

Eh, as far as I'm concerned his winning it already devalued the award itself, so hey, he might as well advocate war in his acceptance speech.

[Tev]

Wait, the Nobel Peace Prize still had value left to lose? Have you already forgotten who else has won this thing over the years?

[Bob The Mercenary]

He is quoted as saying our soldiers are over there "air raiding villages and killing civilians", now he defends the war. He was also one of the most outspoken against it before it began.

After being here so long, this should go without saying. I am not entirely up-to-date with my Russian history. But, when Obama said in his speech, "Ronald Reagan's efforts on arms control and embrace of Perestroika not only improved relations with the Soviet Union but empowered dissidents throughout Eastern Europe", wasn't that complete BS? Wasn't Perestroika a ploy by Gorbachev to save communism because it was falling apart? And didn't Reagan's efforts on arms control just about amount to saying "screw you" to Gorbachev's face because he knew he wouldn't follow through with his end of the deal anyway?

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Tev

Wait, the Nobel Peace Prize still had value left to lose? Have you already forgotten who else has won this thing over the years?

Honestly, I'll admit that I've never really paid much attention to it. Someone just brought this to my attention one day, and I was like "what the fuck?"

So it's entirely possible that the peace prize has been a joke for years and I just wasn't aware. I think that would actually make me feel better about him winning it.

[Tev]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

So it's entirely possible that the peace prize has been a joke for years and I just wasn't aware. I think that would actually make me feel better about him winning it.

It'd be just as relevant if we here at NPF started up donations for an "NPF Peace Prize" and whenever we hit a million dollars in the fund we locked Fifth, Smarty, Snake, and Shiney in a cage and whoever was left standing got to pick who they thought giving the million to would piss off the others the most.