Operation Rainfall

Jagos · 07-21-2011, 11:17 PM

Ok, I have no idea what's going on since I don't play on the Wii. However, it's come to my attention that three games are getting a LOT of attention by the hardcore Wii base because Nintendo is being a douche.

Now before I go "Humbug", I want to make it clear that I think Nintendo's always been pretty douchey. When Earthbound didn't sell, they decided not to give the US Mother 3. They've STILL yet to bring over a re-release of the Mother 2 or even mother 1. Whether it's copyright reasons or whatever, I don't care. I would buy a 3DS and play the ever loving crap out of that game, if Nintendo would publish it. So I pirate it, along with Mother 4. Their loss.

Sega is also in this boat with Shining Force 3, which I would LOVE to play. I've always loved these games, but then it's rather hard to finish them without my OCD kicking in. And if anyone saw my rage at the SoR Remake, you can rest assured... I have the game in my possession. It is AWESOME!

So, what exactly is Operation Rainfall, and how is this supposed to change the opinion of the big N?

Kim · 07-22-2011, 01:22 AM

There's no Mother 4. What in God's Hell are you talking about?

The problem isn't that Nintendo isn't localizing these three games. It's that they consistently refuse to localize games when the games being made in the US are either shit or non-existent. It's that at this point they aren't even remotely bothering to support the Wii, and if they're prone to abandon their own consoles like this I have no interest in supporting their other consoles.

Bells · 07-22-2011, 02:34 AM

Taking from Extra Credits:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...ation-Rainfall

And their website

http://oprainfall.blogspot.com/

So, it's Nintendo giving a shoot on their own foot. I played The last Story and Xenoblade in their Japanese versions and i would love to be able to do so in their English versions too. These all seem like really good games for the wii.

But Nintendo simply doesn't see the us as a Hardcore market for the Wii... so no Games.

With the WiiU they want to aim at the Hardcore US Market... so let's see how they pull THAT out.

Aerozord · 07-22-2011, 02:50 AM

This is kind of equivalent to those campaigns people attempt to get cancelled shows back on the air. I agree with Extra Credit guys, this should be encouraged, but they should also be realistic. There is normally a legitimate financial reason for these choices, bottom-line is they do not think the games would sell well in the US and this wasn't enough to convince them otherwise. Nintendo might be wrong about that, but doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, long as they think it wont sell well it wont happen.

Also not to say this was futile. While rare things like this do occasionally work. If you really believe its worth the effort, then make the effort.

Bells · 07-22-2011, 03:24 AM

To be quite honest, these games are not really huge financial blockbusters that would shatter the boundaries of profits... they are just really good Wii Action RPG's. And with the Wii having SO FEW of them, 3 in a row is kinda of a big deal... they are all well polished, well designed products, but they are also -not- earth shattering... so there is a point to it.

On other news, there might be a decent chance that Nintend release these as ther final Big Titles alogside the new Zelda to close the Wii's life cycle, it would be a high note end

Solid Snake · 07-22-2011, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NonCon

The problem isn't that Nintendo isn't localizing these three games. It's that they consistently refuse to localize games when the games being made in the US are either shit or non-existent. It's that at this point they aren't even remotely bothering to support the Wii, and if they're prone to abandon their own consoles like this I have no interest in supporting their other consoles.

I feel kind of bad for folks supporting the Wii U because Nintendo's just basically said "Fuck you" to every hardcore gamer who purchased a Wii in hopes that the Wii would support the hardcore gamer community.

I mean I understand the Wii U is supposed to be different, but it's not like Xenoblade and The Last Story are helping Nintendo make a strong preliminary impression

It's funny because around 2008 or so, at the height of my own personal Wii-craze, I was utterly convinced that Sony was going to fall apart. Three years later and I'm more confident in Sony's current strategy than anyone else's. Maybe 'confident' isn't entirely the right word, because I'm not sure how it appeals to everyone who isn't me, but I'm certainly more personally gratified by Sony's future PS3 exclusives lineup and the Vita.

Ramary · 07-22-2011, 06:42 AM

The issue here is this.

Every other hardcore title on the wii that was not a Nintendo Golden Age franchise (your marios, zeldas, etc) sold like donkey poo. The way Nintendo sees it, okay yeah, there are these people who want these games, but what about the normal people who don't know what the hell these games are. They will get nothing out of them, and you will have another 3 sale bombs in NA. That is unless they advertise the games, and advertisements cost money, and if they are not feeling it from the start you sure as hell not gonna convince them otherwise. Honestly, they lucked out NOA even responded to them.

A few more factors include the following...
A. They are original IP, they almost always sell like shit unless heavily advertised
B. They are JRPG, they are not money makers in the west anymore unless you are called Final Fantasy, and even then the backlash from 13 and 14 completely soiled the reputation of JRPGs being good in the west
C. These are the types of games I can see people not buying right away, but instead getting USED a 1 or 2 weeks later. Which means NOEMONE for Nintendo, therefore bad business move.

Yes, it sucks for the people wanting to play them, but EVERYONE knows the wii has like no hardcore audience, and the casual groups won't care about the game. It is basicly like burning money to Nintendo, and if I was in charge of Nintendo, I would turn down translating the games without a second thought.

I would still make them localize the Mother games though if I was in charge, Smash Bros would make them at least a little bit more well known.

Jagos · 07-22-2011, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NonCon

There's no Mother 4. What in God's Hell are you talking about?

Link - The fangame. And if Nintendo shuts it down, you can be sure the fans will revolt, given that they have yet to bring over the other 3 games. That's why I put M4 as its own separate thing, not part of the Mother series.

BTW - Fire Emblem. Nintendo always screws over the fanbase.

Melfice · 07-22-2011, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jagos

Link - The fangame. And if Nintendo shuts it down, you can be sure the fans will revolt, given that they have yet to bring over the other 3 games.

If Nintendo shuts the project down, the revolution will be beat down with a few simple words.

"Shouldn't have called it Mother 4."
I mean, seriously? I have no idea whether or not Mother 3 concluded the series, or whatever. Never even played the series myself. But placing your fangame in the series like that is never a good idea, and is asking for trouble.

Kim · 07-22-2011, 09:28 AM

There are other reasons to hate them calling it Mother 4. Foremost that it just seems kinda arrogant and presumptuous. I want Nintendo to shut it down just so they'll change the name and still put it out.

Also, the assumption that the majority of fans are looking forward to Mother 4 is not a safe one.

Anywho, I wrote an article on it last week or so, but Nintendo shouldn't localize the games because they'll sell well. They should localize to earn goodwill with the hardcore audience, because their goodwill is going down the shitter, and I think that the less than stellar 3DS sales are a symptom of that.

Don't localize these games to make money now. Localize them to make money later.

07-21-2011, 11:17 PM	#1
Jagos FRONT KICK OF DOOM! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Howdy pardner... Posts: 6,399	Operation Rainfall Ok, I have no idea what's going on since I don't play on the Wii. However, it's come to my attention that three games are getting a LOT of attention by the hardcore Wii base because Nintendo is being a douche. Now before I go "Humbug", I want to make it clear that I think Nintendo's always been pretty douchey. When Earthbound didn't sell, they decided not to give the US Mother 3. They've STILL yet to bring over a re-release of the Mother 2 or even mother 1. Whether it's copyright reasons or whatever, I don't care. I would buy a 3DS and play the ever loving crap out of that game, if Nintendo would publish it. So I pirate it, along with Mother 4. Their loss. Sega is also in this boat with Shining Force 3, which I would LOVE to play. I've always loved these games, but then it's rather hard to finish them without my OCD kicking in. And if anyone saw my rage at the SoR Remake, you can rest assured... I have the game in my possession. It is AWESOME! So, what exactly is Operation Rainfall, and how is this supposed to change the opinion of the big N? __________________ Copyright musings World ramblings Scifi stories

07-22-2011, 01:22 AM	#2
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	There's no Mother 4. What in God's Hell are you talking about? The problem isn't that Nintendo isn't localizing these three games. It's that they consistently refuse to localize games when the games being made in the US are either shit or non-existent. It's that at this point they aren't even remotely bothering to support the Wii, and if they're prone to abandon their own consoles like this I have no interest in supporting their other consoles. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

07-22-2011, 02:34 AM	#3
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	Taking from Extra Credits: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...ation-Rainfall And their website http://oprainfall.blogspot.com/ So, it's Nintendo giving a shoot on their own foot. I played The last Story and Xenoblade in their Japanese versions and i would love to be able to do so in their English versions too. These all seem like really good games for the wii. But Nintendo simply doesn't see the us as a Hardcore market for the Wii... so no Games. With the WiiU they want to aim at the Hardcore US Market... so let's see how they pull THAT out. __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

07-22-2011, 02:50 AM	#4
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	This is kind of equivalent to those campaigns people attempt to get cancelled shows back on the air. I agree with Extra Credit guys, this should be encouraged, but they should also be realistic. There is normally a legitimate financial reason for these choices, bottom-line is they do not think the games would sell well in the US and this wasn't enough to convince them otherwise. Nintendo might be wrong about that, but doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, long as they think it wont sell well it wont happen. Also not to say this was futile. While rare things like this do occasionally work. If you really believe its worth the effort, then make the effort. __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

07-22-2011, 03:24 AM	#5
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	To be quite honest, these games are not really huge financial blockbusters that would shatter the boundaries of profits... they are just really good Wii Action RPG's. And with the Wii having SO FEW of them, 3 in a row is kinda of a big deal... they are all well polished, well designed products, but they are also -not- earth shattering... so there is a point to it. On other news, there might be a decent chance that Nintend release these as ther final Big Titles alogside the new Zelda to close the Wii's life cycle, it would be a high note end __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

07-22-2011, 06:42 AM	#7
Ramary HE OPENS THE DOOR TO HIS DARK PAST Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Some craphole Posts: 770	The issue here is this. Every other hardcore title on the wii that was not a Nintendo Golden Age franchise (your marios, zeldas, etc) sold like donkey poo. The way Nintendo sees it, okay yeah, there are these people who want these games, but what about the normal people who don't know what the hell these games are. They will get nothing out of them, and you will have another 3 sale bombs in NA. That is unless they advertise the games, and advertisements cost money, and if they are not feeling it from the start you sure as hell not gonna convince them otherwise. Honestly, they lucked out NOA even responded to them. A few more factors include the following... A. They are original IP, they almost always sell like shit unless heavily advertised B. They are JRPG, they are not money makers in the west anymore unless you are called Final Fantasy, and even then the backlash from 13 and 14 completely soiled the reputation of JRPGs being good in the west C. These are the types of games I can see people not buying right away, but instead getting USED a 1 or 2 weeks later. Which means NOEMONE for Nintendo, therefore bad business move. Yes, it sucks for the people wanting to play them, but EVERYONE knows the wii has like no hardcore audience, and the casual groups won't care about the game. It is basicly like burning money to Nintendo, and if I was in charge of Nintendo, I would turn down translating the games without a second thought. I would still make them localize the Mother games though if I was in charge, Smash Bros would make them at least a little bit more well known.

07-22-2011, 09:28 AM	#10
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	There are other reasons to hate them calling it Mother 4. Foremost that it just seems kinda arrogant and presumptuous. I want Nintendo to shut it down just so they'll change the name and still put it out. Also, the assumption that the majority of fans are looking forward to Mother 4 is not a safe one. Anywho, I wrote an article on it last week or so, but Nintendo shouldn't localize the games because they'll sell well. They should localize to earn goodwill with the hardcore audience, because their goodwill is going down the shitter, and I think that the less than stellar 3DS sales are a symptom of that. Don't localize these games to make money now. Localize them to make money later. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy Last edited by Kim; 07-22-2011 at 10:07 AM.