France Trying To Unclothe Islamic Women... For Safety

[Seil]

These are Burqas.



Because we really need at least one serious thread.

Now, some people - feminists and conservatives - 'dislike' the burqa in the same way that gay people make conservatives feel uncomfortable.

Anyways, France is trying to outright ban them.

So if it's a traditional garment:

A burqa is an enveloping outer garment worn by women in some Islamic traditions for the purpose of hiding a female's body when out in public. It is worn over the usual daily clothing (often a long dress or a shalwar kameez) and removed when the woman returns to the sanctuary of the household, out of the view of men that are not their husbands, fathers, brothers, uncles, sons and grandsons.

Which remains part of the culture of a different race of persons whom, while we may not agree with their views or politics, respect as other human beings on this planet and subject to the same freedoms and rights as anyone else, why is France banning it? Or at least trying to?

Originally Posted by CNN

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Commission members began their work six months ago after French President Nicolas Sarkozy controversially told lawmakers that the full veil was "not welcome" in France.

Sarkozy said the issue is one of a woman's freedom and dignity, and did not have to do with religion...

By recommending a ban on full veils in public places such as hospitals and schools and by anyone receiving public services, the commission members said they wanted to assist those working with members of the public when asking that full veils be removed. That would include school teachers who meet children's parents or ticket agents at train stations.

So something that's part of their culture and tradition, and has been for some time, is gettin' banned in an entire country because Sarkozy... wants to see some faces?

I could see that if there was terrible accident or something like that where a burqa was the cause of a horrible decapitation or whatever, but since I'm pretty sure that French law would prohibit Islamic men forcing their wives/daughters to wear the veil without their consent, because I think that in France women have the right to choose whether or not they want to wear the veil or go without, and because in France those women that do wear it are not doing so because they're trying to subjugate an entire gender but keep their culture and tradition alive... I don't really see why an entire country has to ban them.

But maybe I'm wrong about all this and France is just ass backwards. I mean, burqas can be pretty hot.

[Viridis]

Which country was it that banned minarets?

[Loyal]

Sweden, I think? Pretty sure it began with an S.

[Amake]

France always seem to be quite progressive in their politics. If you are going to challenge Islamic traditions banning burqas would be a relatively harmless starting point I guess.

And I have been wondering about how to challenge Islamic traditions since I found that their leaders officially reject parts of the United Nations declaration of human rights because they think God is more important. I would like to be able to show them every bit of respect a human being deserves, but that's hard when they don't share the same priority.

[Wigmund]

Originally Posted by Invisible Queen

And I have been wondering about how to challenge Islamic traditions since I found that their leaders officially reject parts of the United Nations declaration of human rights because they think God is more important.

Going after all of Islam for these "leaders" would be like going after all of Christianity because of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church, the Aryan Nations and the Ku Klux Klan.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Wigmund

Going after all of Islam for these "leaders" would be like going after all of Christianity because of the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church, the Aryan Nations and the Ku Klux Klan.

You have to realize that those are all smaller and less media-whipped. People in America are still often scared shitless of Islam despite having had several years to get over it and actually have the facts straightened out. The problem is that the media doesn't WANT the facts straightened out, because a frightened public is easy to sell more fear to. Where TV could be a driving educational force, the past near-decade has been completely mum on what Islam really is.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Switzerland.
Also they've been talking about banning Burqas for like the past two years in France. Haven't done anything so far.
A lot of it is concern that women are force to wear them. The issue first came about in schools where they are banned (alongside other religious items such as skullcaps) and discussions about how legal that was lead to it being spread wider.

In response to IQ: Who does take the declaration of human rights seriously? I don't think anybody does.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Switzerland.
Also they've been talking about banning Burqas for like the past two years in France. Haven't done anything so far.
A lot of it is concern that women are force to wear them. The issue first came about in schools where they are banned (alongside other religious items such as skullcaps) and discussions about how legal that was lead to it being spread wider.

In response to IQ: Who does take the declaration of human rights seriously? I don't think anybody does.

Sadly you might be right about that.

[Amake]

I think everyone takes it seriously. Not to the point where it gets in the way of any actual lawmaking, but I'm pretty sure everyone is on board with the human rights being at least sound in principle, worth thinking about and something for future generations to hopefully get closer to realizing. Almost everyone that is.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Invisible Queen

I think everyone takes it seriously. Not to the point where it gets in the way of any actual lawmaking, but I'm pretty sure everyone is on board with the human rights being at least sound in principle, worth thinking about and something for future generations to hopefully get closer to realizing. Almost everyone that is.

Yeah they take it seriously in the "Yeah that's a good idea we should follow as long as it doesn't hamper the ability of us/our lobbyists fucking over everyone else". So in other worlds not at all.