Gender Identity Discussion Thread

Kim · 05-09-2011, 05:13 PM

So, there are of course the basic genders of male and female. And then you have transgenderism, which is where a woman was born with a man's body or a man with a woman's body. There's also intersex, which is where the person's body is both male and female, and this can be separate from gender identity. (Like being intersex but identifying as female) The others I know besides these are androgynous, where the person doesn't identify as either gender, and bigender, where they identify as both genders. I am bigender. Nonbinary genders like bigender and androgynous are often categorized as genderqueer, which is a sort of umbrella term. Some also consider bigender a branch of transgender.

I can't talk a whole lot on the subject of a lot of gender identities, and there's a lot of variety among them. Just like normal genders, there aren't exactly a bunch of rules saying a ____ person has to be a certain way, though you may see some patterns repeat themselves.

I'm not sure what discussion there is to be had, but I'm sure there is and Fenris didn't want more of it cluttering the announcement thread anyways, so...

Professor Smarmiarty · 05-09-2011, 05:20 PM

I'm in the "Don't give a shit camp". You cavemen can carry on being slaves to your biological thrusting and your primite and frankly highly suspicious goings on, I'll be in the future. Where we are robots.

rpgdemon · 05-09-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I'm in the "Don't give a shit camp".

Fo' real. Doesn't matter to me what someone sees themself as.

Kim · 05-09-2011, 05:23 PM

Gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

Professor Smarmiarty · 05-09-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NonCon

Gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

While not directly correlated there is a strong association between the two
both neurologically and as cultural identifiers and to claim they have nothing to do with each other is absurd.
And both of them rely upon biological categorisation which I was pooh poohing.

Azisien · 05-09-2011, 05:32 PM

We deal only in mechanical categorization here.

Professor Smarmiarty · 05-09-2011, 05:34 PM

Ideological categorisation but only warring ideologies of the frankfurt school are accepted. Adorno 4eva. Biology is so primite and inelegant.

TDK · 05-09-2011, 06:04 PM

Personally I'm all for people living whatever gender/sexual identity they want to (personally I am bisexual) but the whole 'intersex' 'transexual' 'cisgender', all those PC words they keep making up and changing for the purposes of being politically correct and not offending anyone? Those are fucking stupid. Especially 'cisgender'. GOD that word is stupid.

Like it wouldn't be so bad but they keep changing words and deciding things are offensive and crap. I used the term "hermaphrodite" in a discussion about people with both sets of genitals and someone was like "OMG THAT'S NOT PC"

And I was like "Fuck you."

Kim · 05-09-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK

Personally I'm all for people living whatever gender/sexual identity they want to (personally I am bisexual) but the whole 'intersex' 'transexual' 'cisgender', all those PC words they keep making up and changing for the purposes of being politically correct and not offending anyone? Those are fucking stupid. Especially 'cisgender'. GOD that word is stupid.

Because the implication of calling cisgender people "normal" is that everyone else is abnormal. Do you honestly not see how non-cis people could take issue with that?

Also, how the hell is transexual a "made up PC term"? That's the actual term. Same for intersex.

EDIT: As for the changing terminology, there's generally a reason for it. I don't know why hermaphrodite isn't used anymore, but I expect there's an actual reason for it and if intersex the preferred term then that's what I'm going to use. I am not intersex. I have no right nor stake in what intersex people are called. They do. They get to choose the appropriate terminology because it's about them, not me.

TDK · 05-09-2011, 06:15 PM

Abnormal means not normal, ie in a minority, which non "cisgendered" people are. Should we not use the literal definitions of words now?

If you'd like a better example of what I'm talking about when I say PC is stupid, look at the "Fuck yeah Privilege-Denying Dude" tumblr and read the things the creator says, especially when answering questions. Also the comments.

05-09-2011, 05:13 PM	#1
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Gender Identity Discussion Thread So, there are of course the basic genders of male and female. And then you have transgenderism, which is where a woman was born with a man's body or a man with a woman's body. There's also intersex, which is where the person's body is both male and female, and this can be separate from gender identity. (Like being intersex but identifying as female) The others I know besides these are androgynous, where the person doesn't identify as either gender, and bigender, where they identify as both genders. I am bigender. Nonbinary genders like bigender and androgynous are often categorized as genderqueer, which is a sort of umbrella term. Some also consider bigender a branch of transgender. I can't talk a whole lot on the subject of a lot of gender identities, and there's a lot of variety among them. Just like normal genders, there aren't exactly a bunch of rules saying a ____ person has to be a certain way, though you may see some patterns repeat themselves. I'm not sure what discussion there is to be had, but I'm sure there is and Fenris didn't want more of it cluttering the announcement thread anyways, so...

05-09-2011, 06:04 PM	#8
TDK Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Reality Posts: 2,914	Why can't we just say "Normal"? Personally I'm all for people living whatever gender/sexual identity they want to (personally I am bisexual) but the whole 'intersex' 'transexual' 'cisgender', all those PC words they keep making up and changing for the purposes of being politically correct and not offending anyone? Those are fucking stupid. Especially 'cisgender'. GOD that word is stupid. Like it wouldn't be so bad but they keep changing words and deciding things are offensive and crap. I used the term "hermaphrodite" in a discussion about people with both sets of genitals and someone was like "OMG THAT'S NOT PC" And I was like "Fuck you."

05-09-2011, 05:20 PM	#2
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I'm in the "Don't give a shit camp". You cavemen can carry on being slaves to your biological thrusting and your primite and frankly highly suspicious goings on, I'll be in the future. Where we are robots.

05-09-2011, 05:23 PM	#4
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

05-09-2011, 05:32 PM	#6
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	We deal only in mechanical categorization here.

05-09-2011, 05:34 PM	#7
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Ideological categorisation but only warring ideologies of the frankfurt school are accepted. Adorno 4eva. Biology is so primite and inelegant.

05-09-2011, 06:15 PM	#10
TDK Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Reality Posts: 2,914	Abnormal means not normal, ie in a minority, which non "cisgendered" people are. Should we not use the literal definitions of words now? If you'd like a better example of what I'm talking about when I say PC is stupid, look at the "Fuck yeah Privilege-Denying Dude" tumblr and read the things the creator says, especially when answering questions. Also the comments.