Dear Sonic Team: I don't even know anymore (Sonic Allstars Racing Transformed)

Aldurin · 01-18-2013, 02:49 AM

So I was completely disinterested in all sonic-based racing games after Sonic R (see the JonTron episode on it to save yourself from playing it), but then Nerf Now makes a joke based on how the PC verison of Sonic Allstars Racing Transformed has 3 of the TF2 mercenaries as playable characters (through promotion for at least one of them? it's not entirely clear). So I took a closer look at the game . . .

Now, before you blatantly point out how I'm wrong about my opinions on racing games, understand that I hate Mario Kart (double dash was meh for me, to preemptively respond to those of you who want to counterpoint) because Jak X was all that but better, and wish for said game with accessible multiplayer (PC for shenanergans please, Naughty Dog). I just don't know, this is like Sony trying to compete against Smash Bros. by releasing PASBR in the sense that this is Not-Mario-Kart-Because-It's-Sonic. The main difference is that Mario is stagnating in its own reputation of games that are eternally cloned, while SEGA is actually trying to innovate its way into that prized position in racing games. I'm actually interested, I haven't bought it yet and I still have a couple weeks before the promotion and discount disappear, but I'm actually finding myself fond of the idea of a decent Sonic-based racing game with crossovers from other cool things, especially since this is one of those few cases where Valve loosens the death grip on their property for anything that isn't hat-promotions.

But this is a Sonic game, of a franchise many declare should have died before it stepped into the PS3/360 era (and you can't blame them), so I'm stuck in this limbo of what the fuck do I do. I can either buy it and risk disappointment, wait for Yahtzee to review it and risk detached disappointment that one would have for a man too large to maintain his balance, or try to ignore what was one of my favorite franchises in the past and go on with my life until someone points out that they're releasing Sonic Adventure 3.

Anyone else have opinions and/or conflicts over this?

Arcanum · 01-18-2013, 03:44 AM

Ristar isn't a playable character. This game isn't worth your time.

Ramary · 01-18-2013, 04:12 AM

As far as I am concerned Sonic is right by me now after Generations.

I heard the kart game was alright. Might get it on sale...which is how I am treating a lot of games lately. As for you, check other reviews, since it has been out on console for awhile already.

Kyanbu The Legend · 01-18-2013, 09:25 AM

1. The franchise got revived thanks to Sonic Generations and Sega's actually taking their time for once (new Sonic won't be till early/late 2014).

2. This is a Sega All Stars game. Not a Sonic title. REALLY getting sick of people thinking it's a Sonic game when it's obivously a Sega All Stars Title. Sonic was only added to the name because of the lack luster sales of all the previous Sega All Stars games.

Given the few things Yuji said/hinted about Sega's current Secret Sonic Game during his post Sonic Generations interview. It may as well be Sonic Adventure 3 (technically 5 as 06 was SA3 and Unleashed was SA4).

Aldurin · 01-18-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend

(technically 5 as 06 was SA3 and Unleashed was SA4).

Take that fucking back. Did you see Chao Gardens in either of those. Did you? DID YOU? WERE THOSE GAMES EVEN GOOD?

So yeah I guess Sonic is on a revival and technically this isn't a sonic game, but they're definitely using him as the main marketing tool. But after a good night's sleep I think I'm just gonna wait it out until the last minute where I decide whether or not I commit to this.

Kyanbu The Legend · 01-18-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aldurin

Take that fucking back. Did you see Chao Gardens in either of those. Did you? DID YOU? WERE THOSE GAMES EVEN GOOD?

So yeah I guess Sonic is on a revival and technically this isn't a sonic game, but they're definitely using him as the main marketing tool. But after a good night's sleep I think I'm just gonna wait it out until the last minute where I decide whether or not I commit to this.

I know it's strange but believe it or not it's true.

How I found out.

During it's dev, it was originally going to be "Sonic Adventure 3". But for a rather odd reason, Sega changed the name to "Sonic The Hedgehog" instead. As an attempt to soft reboot the blue hedgehog and attract new fans. So technically it was SA3.

BUT! Sega removed the game from canon. Only adding in Crisis City because it won the poll on their page. (it was a fan picked level). So we could get a new SA3, depending on rather or not scraping DLC plans for generation will give them enough time to keep the Good Sonic track record going.

Bells · 01-18-2013, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyanbu The Legend

I know it's strange but believe it or not it's true.

How I found out.

During it's dev, it was originally going to be "Sonic Adventure 3". But for a rather odd reason, Sega changed the name to "Sonic The Hedgehog" instead. As an attempt to soft reboot the blue hedgehog and attract new fans. So technically it was SA3.

BUT! Sega removed the game from canon. Only adding in Crisis City because it won the poll on their page. (it was a fan picked level). So we could get a new SA3, depending on rather or not scraping DLC plans for generation will give them enough time to keep the Good Sonic track record going.

If i had met people with a drive for doing stuff like that back when i had no job and free time maybe dreams of seeing Final Fantasy Tactics ports on PC and Android with Fan Mods all over it could have become true...

Cause goddamn it we need more Final Fantasy Tactics than we need Sonic Games.....!

Arcanum · 01-18-2013, 03:36 PM

What made Sonic Adventure fucking rad and defined Sonic Adventure:

1) Being able to choose among multiple characters, each with their distinct playstyle, and playing their story and seeing how it intertwines with the overarching narrative
2) Hub Worlds
3) Chao Garden

What SA2 had:

1) Two storyline choices and three character playstyles that were forced on you in a linear fashion
2) Chao Garden

Ergo Sonic Adventure 2 is not a real Sonic Adventure game.

Bells · 01-18-2013, 10:34 AM

Sonic Allstars Racing Transformed!! Or... "Our physics are so bad we can't decide if this vehicle behaves like an boat, car or aircraft, so... it's all of it!"

Locke cole · 01-18-2013, 11:08 AM

A: Sonic Generations came after he was saved by Sonic Colors, so Generations can't be the game that saved the series.

B: I'm pretty sure that the video of TF2 characters in the game was a joke. Something a fan did to make a fun video.

C: Diddy Kong Racing did "Car or boat or plane" long ago.

01-18-2013, 02:49 AM	#1
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	Dear Sonic Team: I don't even know anymore (Sonic Allstars Racing Transformed) So I was completely disinterested in all sonic-based racing games after Sonic R (see the JonTron episode on it to save yourself from playing it), but then Nerf Now makes a joke based on how the PC verison of Sonic Allstars Racing Transformed has 3 of the TF2 mercenaries as playable characters (through promotion for at least one of them? it's not entirely clear). So I took a closer look at the game . . . Now, before you blatantly point out how I'm wrong about my opinions on racing games, understand that I hate Mario Kart (double dash was meh for me, to preemptively respond to those of you who want to counterpoint) because Jak X was all that but better, and wish for said game with accessible multiplayer (PC for shenanergans please, Naughty Dog). I just don't know, this is like Sony trying to compete against Smash Bros. by releasing PASBR in the sense that this is Not-Mario-Kart-Because-It's-Sonic. The main difference is that Mario is stagnating in its own reputation of games that are eternally cloned, while SEGA is actually trying to innovate its way into that prized position in racing games. I'm actually interested, I haven't bought it yet and I still have a couple weeks before the promotion and discount disappear, but I'm actually finding myself fond of the idea of a decent Sonic-based racing game with crossovers from other cool things, especially since this is one of those few cases where Valve loosens the death grip on their property for anything that isn't hat-promotions. But this is a Sonic game, of a franchise many declare should have died before it stepped into the PS3/360 era (and you can't blame them), so I'm stuck in this limbo of what the fuck do I do. I can either buy it and risk disappointment, wait for Yahtzee to review it and risk detached disappointment that one would have for a man too large to maintain his balance, or try to ignore what was one of my favorite franchises in the past and go on with my life until someone points out that they're releasing Sonic Adventure 3. Anyone else have opinions and/or conflicts over this?

01-18-2013, 03:44 AM	#2
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	Ristar isn't a playable character. This game isn't worth your time. __________________ POS Almighty has spoken.

01-18-2013, 09:25 AM	#4
Kyanbu The Legend Local Rookie Indie Dev Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,497	1. The franchise got revived thanks to Sonic Generations and Sega's actually taking their time for once (new Sonic won't be till early/late 2014). 2. This is a Sega All Stars game. Not a Sonic title. REALLY getting sick of people thinking it's a Sonic game when it's obivously a Sega All Stars Title. Sonic was only added to the name because of the lack luster sales of all the previous Sega All Stars games. Given the few things Yuji said/hinted about Sega's current Secret Sonic Game during his post Sonic Generations interview. It may as well be Sonic Adventure 3 (technically 5 as 06 was SA3 and Unleashed was SA4). Last edited by Kyanbu The Legend; 01-18-2013 at 09:44 AM.

01-18-2013, 03:36 PM	#8
Arcanum Strike the Earth! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 3,185	What made Sonic Adventure fucking rad and defined Sonic Adventure: 1) Being able to choose among multiple characters, each with their distinct playstyle, and playing their story and seeing how it intertwines with the overarching narrative 2) Hub Worlds 3) Chao Garden What SA2 had: 1) Two storyline choices and three character playstyles that were forced on you in a linear fashion 2) Chao Garden Ergo Sonic Adventure 2 is not a real Sonic Adventure game. __________________ POS Almighty has spoken.

01-18-2013, 10:34 AM	#9
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	Sonic Allstars Racing Transformed!! Or... "Our physics are so bad we can't decide if this vehicle behaves like an boat, car or aircraft, so... it's all of it!" __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

01-18-2013, 04:12 AM	#3
Ramary HE OPENS THE DOOR TO HIS DARK PAST Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Some craphole Posts: 770	As far as I am concerned Sonic is right by me now after Generations. I heard the kart game was alright. Might get it on sale...which is how I am treating a lot of games lately. As for you, check other reviews, since it has been out on console for awhile already.